On Sat, 30 May 2009, leaking pen wrote:

> well, that wont put me into sleep dep.   I go into rem about 4 minutes
> after falling asleep.  i actually sleep BETTER in 1 hour cat naps.
> (And ive just found, thats a main symptom of narcolepsy.  explains a
> lot actually)

People in the "uberman/polyphasic sleep" community think it's a learnable
behavior.  Perhaps it helps to start out with unusual brain chemistry!
But at least in my own case, my creative insanity switches on only when I
carefully avoid processed food (normal american chow).  Heh: and then I
start getting city parking spaces at the Jedi Master level of anomalous
luck.

> Something to remember. electrons don't actaully orbit the nucleus.

Yep, that's the visualizable grade-school diagram.  (Or the diagram of
Rydberg atoms in the process of decay.)

How can we explain the nature of EM fields in the nearfield region of a
very small, sharply tuned RLC resonator? Say that it's being driven by the
Casmir background, and so cannot radiate.  But that doesn't mean it lacks
strong fields in the nearfield region.

The danger is that we'd note the lack of real photons being emitted by an
atom's electron cloud, conclude that no AC fields exist in the nearfield
region, therefore assume no significant EM interactions exist between two
distant atoms.  But transformers and capacitors are fundamentally
different than pairs of distant radio antennas, and they work fine at
frequencies with waves too long to radiate.  The lack of "light photons"
does not imply a lack of strong coupling between two nearby coils.
(Transformers and capacitors function entirely by tunneling photons, of
course.)

> These orbitals are actually what cause the transmission spectrums, the
> transmission spectra is based on an electron absorbing energy,

If I try to boil down all the weird ideas that popped into my head, then
here's the real question:  do atoms experience significant Vanderwaals
forces with nearby atoms of the same species, but not with atoms of
different species?  (Nearby, as in 50 nanometers, not molecular bond
lengths.)

The only experiments I've encountered are the very recent ones involving
an AFM tip separated from a surface by many nanometers.  The tip
experiences a large unexplained friction, but only if the tip carries a
tiny crystal of the same material of which the nearby surface is composed.
In other words, an atom isn't attracted to a similar surface, but instead
it causes the surface atoms to emit phonons into the crystal lattice
whenever the single atom tries to move nearby.  The single atom behaves as
if it's trapped in electromagnetic flypaper.  And the single atom is far
far outside the atomic diameters of the surface atoms.

Knowing that there's something weird going on in the tens-nM atomic
region, I'd been waiting for such an experiment to crop up.  I saw that QM
is still incomplete, because people think that atoms are fundamentally
different than tiny metal antennas.  On the other hand, this topic isn't
outside of physics.  Instead it's filed under "VanderWaals interaction,"
little understood, little studied, and not given high importance.

You can look up VanderWaals explanations and find they cover some of what
I'm talking about:  an atom's electron cloud undergoes a QM noise
fluctuation, creating non-uniform charge distribution, creating a huge EM
field which can affect distant atoms by provoking a similar fluctuation

But what if the two atoms are of the same element?  Then they contain
matched resonators, and the energy being borrowed from the virtual sea may
be larger than when it's frequency is far from an absorption/emission
line.


> might that form of electron tunneling be your radio signal?  jumping
> to orbitals that are the exact same energy, because its the same
> element at the same energy state?

Definitely.  It's nonradiative, brief, virtual-existing tunneling events.
The atom constantly emits a line spectrum but absorbs it simultaneously,
so no real photons escape.  No light, but only the "coil/capacitor fields"
of macroscopic components in oscillation.

Or here's another way to say it:  a lone electron is surrounded by an
intense field of virtual photons, same as a lone proton.  Let them combine
to form a hydrogen atom, and what happens to this photon population? The
textbooks I've encountered don't discuss it.  Are they assuming that,
since the ground state orbital has a spherical shape, therefore any EM
field must be radial and entirely contained inside the orbital?  Well,
what happens if experiments show otherwise.  And also, what happens if
another hydrogen atom is passing by at 30nM distance?




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