BTW all of this reminds me of an idea I had a very long time ago.Later someone had the same idea (or stole mine) and put it here: http://www.geocities.com/nayado/
<http://www.geocities.com/nayado/>The problem of Bill's spiraling current not causing a magnetic field but the protons causing the field Bill was seeking if the electrons don't spiral as much is a lot like the basic idea of this concept. You make a self canceling bifilar coil so that it has no inductance, as close to absolute zero as you can get composed of many thin turns. You then charge the coil to a very high negative potential, on doing so you get negative inductance. Which means instead of the coil opposing the establishment of a current it literally gives energy and then it "takes it" if you have a declining current, but if you put in the right kind of wave shape (ramping up and then off) you get Free Energy. Let me explain the theory. >From the stationary view point the magnetic field in a wire is caused by moving electrons, however to these moving electrons there is a magnetic field but THEY aren't responsible for it, as far as they are concerned it is the protons that are moving and as the electrons try and speed up they feel a voltage from this proton induced magnetic field which is now growing in strength that tries to retard them. This is of course the first part of so-called self inductance, the establishment of the current faces resistance. If we take the wire and bend it back on it's self then we cancel out this inductance because now the moving electrons see the magnetic field from the protons but also the electrons moving in the opposite direction, the positive and negative inductive forces cancel. Now what if we charge everything to a high negative potential and still use this coil with zero net inductance? Now as the electrons accelerate they see the magnetic field not from protons growing but the magnetic field from the excess electrons growing this will be of the opposite direction. This magnetic field generated by the motion of the electrons induces the opposite EMF which causes the current to gain energy as it is being established. Normal induction takes energy away and gives it back later. This is more like a bank loan, you borrow the energy first but what if you don't pay it back? This is all thanks to Einstein, if motion is relative then so is the existence of a magnetic field created by a charge, if you see it and how you see it depends on your relative motion to that charge. In a wire it's not a big issue because an identical magnetic fields will be seen created by relative motion to the drift electrons or protons either way it will be identical. The only way this FE effect would fail would be if magnetic fields weren't generated by the relative motions of charged bodies but rather absolute motion through a (fluid/gas) aether by the charge. None of this is IMO useful because there are far better ways to make energy and indeed as the fluid aether is real then it might not work. BTW if you charge a vinyl record with a static charge and rotate it fast it does create a magnetic field, what I have never heard being established it is if moving with the record it still has a magnetic field. Or if rotating around a stationary charged record causes a magnetic field to be seen in the rotating frame. On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Horace Heffner <[email protected]>wrote: > A shaft with a single iron disk and point brush, and an ordinary brush to > the shaft, should work. The iron disk should be fairly thick. The "point > brush" on the iron disk could be made from a thin copper disk, mounted on a > copper shaft and electrically connected using an ordinary brush, as shown in > Fig. 5. > > > | > | > (+) | copper brush disk > BB vvv BB | > ==================| > BB BB | > | > | > | > * arc > ||| > ||| > (-) ||| iron driver disk > BB vvv BB ||| > =================||| > BB BB ||| > ||| > ||| > ||| > > Key: > > BB - bearing > vvv - brush > === - shaft > | - copper disk > ||| - thick iron disk > (+) - positive or AC terminal > (-) - negative or AC terminal > * - brush contact point arc > > > Fig. 5 - Cross section view of alternative Marinov motor > > > This motor would not be very effective because it only has one contact > point. The one compensation is it should be able to handle massive > current, and the torque is a product of current squared because the current > generates the B field, so the magnitude i L B of iL x B is really i L (k i) > = i^2 L k. > > Conductivity could be increased by using an iron ring on a copper disk in > place of the iron disk. > > It might be possible to substitute one or more thin conductive arcs for the > copper disk. > > Best regards, > > Horace Heffner > http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ > >
