Hi Don, Well, It's too bad that there is not a serious list where this kind of thing can be discussed rationally, based on actual experiment or science, without every new-age drug experimenter chiming in with personal anecdote, biblical reference and so on. There is a grain of truth there. Literally.
Except for the energy implications - Hudson's work is a little extreme for most vorticians, I would imagine. Were you around when Joe Champion used to post (before he took up residence at the Hoosegow)? That was a bit over the top in divisiveness, but there could be something to it. The anecdotes are fascinating. However, personal 'illumination' experiences, valid as they might be to the individual involved - or in terms of epidemiology for someone else's medical premise - really clog up the neural pathways for identifying any true relevance to alternative energy, which may or may not be there - especially as it might relate to LENR. Many of us have a hard time as it is, trying to compartmentalize Sci-Fi. I would not have even mentioned this notion, except to propose that an "unknown" heavy element in ppm dilution can provide an adequate level of excess heat, and without excess radiation - if it can fission with a low gamma/neutron signature due to an energy deficit, which is caused by preceding mid-energy photon emissions (the tantalum model, but with fission). However, "lenrium" itself is not needed, as there could be as many dozens of trace elements present in any metal electrode, including thorium and uranium isomers (or ORMES) even in 99% pure metal, yet in a low but useful concentration. I was impressed on hearing Hudson's lecture, but in the past decade it seems like any commitment to the scientific method for ORMES has flown out the window in favor or alchemy and Gnosticism. This may be because I have missed it, or else there is too little good data but lots of mystical attractiveness - to such things as "Solomon's Gold," or the philosophers stone, manna - or whatever. Jones -----Original Message----- From: DonEMitchell Subject: Re: [Vo]:Could we call it Lenrium ? Jones! I suspect the same thing you do that ORME, if it exists, is a nuclear isomer. I'm just a lay guy that can get a shallow grasp on physics, but Hudson spent over 8 million 1980-90s US dollars to find out what the heck the precipitate was when he treated his black alkali cotton fields near Phoenix (soil from oxidized basalt) with 30 tons of sulfuric acid per acre to convert the plant-stunting black alkali to the water soluble white alkali. Anyone that hadn't heard his fascinating story can find it here and other places... for streaming links: http://psientific.org/library/ormus/hudson/hudson_ORME_lecture.htm or by file from the folder: http://psientific.org/library/ormus/hudson/ The precipitate, when in certain equipment would disappear, levitate, gain weight, and when forced into phase-change with a heavy arc furnace, emitted apparently enough gamma ray energy to turn the glass beakers in the room into brittle glass that would crumble when squeezed by hand. Off of physics... unless your into holomorphic resonance of DNA or subdominant neurology with the living Universe: Somewhere on Barry Carter's web site (the famous Ormus expert) is a file describing the experience of a man that ate 20 micrograms of Hudson's Monotonic Orbitally Rearranged Element (ORME) made with gold. Sort of scary... the fellow's neurology tweaked somehow. For six months whatever the fellow thought about happened. He was forced to do rote math in his head to keep his mind occupied, avoiding allowing his (untrained) imagination/desire/intent to wander. This suggests that the ORME is active in the mind/spirit/neurology somehow. The microtubules of the neurons may be the nanotube housing for monatomic light-platinum nuclear-isomers. See the illustration of the neuron in mid-page here... http://portal.groupkos.com/index.php?title=Ormus Being that the ORME -as nuclear isomer- is a non-typical nuclear waveform, which in heavier elements would induce fission, the light-platinum group won't fission. Rather, the elongated Coulomb field prohibits normal valence shell chemistry, so the ORME becomes chemically inert -totally. And, since the electrons are available to the wiles of nature, not having a molecular bond to satiate their extended waveform, at the proper separation of ORME atoms unused electrons form Cooper-pairs :) I like to fancy that the nanotube provides the proper separation of ORME for a superconducting SQUID or such that is the literal interface mechanism for spirit and body, wherein our living-corporeal-form finds emergence of thought/desire/intent/action from a subliminal neural mesh that effectively is tuned to our particular life-force that resides God knows where. Back to history, Hudson spent a lot of money on research and a patent apps, and did create a British and Australian patent on the entire process in attempt to secure the discovery for the world, hoping to prevent it from being exploited, thinking it is needed knowledge. He abandoned further patent efforts and publicly spoke per his IP lawyer's advice to push the information into the public domain, which is why the audio files linked above were available. Hudson did this when he realized the Star Wars initiative talent scouts, who visited Hudson at his home, were halting the patent until Hudson spent more money to investigate deeper. Some people get quite a zing (or think they do) in the woo-woo crowd, new-agers, that are just as difficult to get along with as the next human, eat Ormus, an ancient word inferring the white powder of gold, philosopher's stone, or other ancient origin such as the Egyptian foundry on Mount Horeb from where a large quantity of white powder was found covering the chamber. Some powder yet resides in a British museum from the Horeb foundry. It appears per one author I've not read completely that the Hermetic knowledge was taught to Moses, being the foster child of the Pharaoh's daughter (snatched from a basket of reeds in the river), and Moses, being the frustrated Pharaoh, had the Israelites loot (borrow) all their neighbor's gold. This gold was rendered to a golden calf and worshiped in the wilderness while Moses was on the Mount tripping out with star mind (the burning bushes of the region related to the creosote plant give off hallucinogenic fumes when they burn from their externalized sap that holds moisture inside) -the calf was ground, processed, and the Israelites made to drink it. Was Moses wanting them to 'get it' or 'spiritualize'? (If anyone is offended then please pray for me :) Personally, from the experiences I've had with those consuming Ormus sea-salt precipitate (the ocean has the same proportion of ORME rhodium and iridium as Hudson found in calf and pig brains), I'm not surprised the the Israelites on Ormus went on a murderous rampage for 40 years, just to finally get permission to enter the promised land and slice-and-dice every living, breathing thing in the land they stole. Maybe the sorel to the morey is not to mix Ormus with the fumes of a burning bush... dunno. Regards, Don in AZ On 12/6/2010 6:31 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > The same word can refer to both in different ways, AFAIK. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_isomer > > Matter of fact, I would opine that the ORMES, if they exist (which is not a > good bet) are in this category. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry Blanton > > Jones Beene wrote: > >> Anyway the "island of stability" of heavy atoms might contain an isomer of > a heavy element which is stable > > I thought 'isomer' referred to compounds. > > Maybe you were thinking 'isotope'? > > T
