Jones,
I was referring to HUP supplying gas atoms with motion to the
same results as you imply for "Zitterbewegung". What is the difference between
"Zitterbewegung" and HUP as applied to gas law? I believe gas law is a macro
example of ZPE based on HUP but am totally open to calling it "Zitterbewegung".
As for the M.O. I believe the fractional hydrogen molecules, and even more so
clusters, can carry inertia based on their mass into areas of different Casimir
geometry in opposition to the "HUP" or "Zitterbewegung" driving their spatial
displacement that effects a discount on disassociating said molecules. From the
perspective of a PD membrane I think covalent bonds may oppose translation to
different fractional states while hydrogen atoms do not. That is to say they
oppose translation from which ever fractional or whole state at which they
formed a molecule to a different whole or fractional state making it easier to
disassociate the stressed molecule. If it is nature that is applying the stress
due to Casimir geometry it is essentially free energy (not OU).
[snip]In 1947 Willis Lamb carried out an experiment using microwaves to
stimulate RF transitions between orbital levels of hydrogen. There was a tiny
anomaly, and the energy difference found was a rise of about 1 GHz for one
orbital compared to the other. This energy is supplied (or detracted) by the
quantum vacuum, but there is "normally" no net gain or loss. That changes in a
cavity.[/snip]
The above is why I remain a fence sitter on the Model-Haisch patent in that I
believe they need to create an asymmetry similar to the change in bond state
used by Moller in the MAHG and a control system to get the h1 deep into
fractional states then let it form molecules which nature will oppose escaping
and allow us to rectify "HUP" or "Zitterbewegung" whenever it pushes the
molecule toward escape and discounts the energy needed to disassociate. If we
can disassociate the molecule for less than the release when the fractional
atoms re-form a molecule at the new fractional value we have thermal runaway.
The asymmetry is simply that the cavity allows free translation of gas atoms
but opposes translation of molecules.
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 11:20 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:More on Ni-H LENR
Fran,
The problem with verbalizing energy translation in Casimir cavities - is in
going from "relativistic effects" to the basic heat anomaly itself (if and when
there is an anomaly).
IOW there is a M.O. for doing this, but you may be dropping one important
detail - at least in the terminology, and I'm pretty sure we have talked about
this before. As a poor speller myself, I can understand the problem.
"Zitterbewegung" is the key detail that IMHO needs to be included to fill-out
the explanation, along with the Lamb shift, when one wants to explain how a
Casimir cavity can utilize "relativistic effects" for gain. This does not
require a broad frequency range and it does not require specifying how time
dilation operates. Below is from an old post.
In 1947 Willis Lamb carried out an experiment using microwaves to stimulate RF
transitions between orbital levels of hydrogen. There was a tiny anomaly, and
the energy difference found was a rise of about 1 GHz for one orbital compared
to the other. This energy is supplied (or detracted) by the quantum vacuum, but
there is "normally" no net gain or loss. That changes in a cavity.
This particular difference is an asymmetrical looping effect of QED - quantum
electrodynamics, and can be interpreted as the influence of virtual photons
from the ZPE which have been emitted and re-absorbed by the atom. In QED the
electromagnetic field is quantized but its lowest state is NOT zero. Thus,
there exist small zero-point oscillations that cause electrons to execute rapid
oscillatory motions known by the lovely German word: zitterbewegung; but
normally these vibrations reach thermal equilibrium in an ambient range near
300 Kelvin - and are vibrating in the terahertz range, all of which is
conservative, but ...
The value of the Lamb shift has a tiny mass-energy equivalent, which is about
4^-6 eV = 1 GHz = 4^-23 joules (correct me if I got this wrong) which is not
much to get excited about unless you can do it rapidly ... but if your Casimir
cavity is an oscillator in the 10s of terahertz (slightly higher than ambient -
i.e. the 'trigger') then the gain can (arguably) be made additive and
sequential: well, that would be the underlying hypothesis for the Haisch/Moddel
claim, as applicable to Arata/Zhang etc ... and the initial (non-nuclear) gain
is via ZPE and the Lamb shift and the "relativistic" pumping mechanism. Either
anomalous heating or cooling are possible.
The more controversial step is how this ZPE depletion then sets the stage for
actual nuclear reactions - not as a "cause" of the excess heat, but as an
"effect" of it having been released.
Jones
-----Original Message-----
From: Roarty, Francis X
Robin -
Just a shoot from the hip reply till I get a chance to sit down after
work but I wouldn't expect a Casimir cavity to transform ALL wavelengths - the
CONDUCTIVE GEOMETRY gives it a dimension (mouth of the river)to draw from, and,
like a rubber sheet it draws in space-time from the mouth of the cavity such
that the wavelengths don't really change - they only appear changed because now
they seem to fit between 2 plates without enough spatial displacement from our
perspective outside the cavity - space time is stretching OFF our AXIS onto its
own axis (inertial frame)- the limit of the wavelengths affected from our
perspective is proportional to Casimir force and how much of the sheet can be
stretched into this other axis. It's not a velocity thing where you have to get
appreciable fractions of C to effect the Pythagorean relationship but rather
the time axis itself is being directly manipulated as in equivalent
acceleration which in this case is negative and concentrated from relatively
huge reservoirs compared to the size of the cavity such that they are
inexhaustible...permanent. The slow accumulation of gravity and normal
gradients is sidestepped first by suppression to build these reservoirs and
then by tiny cavities to invert the reservoir from normal mass like opposition
to this etheric rate to accelerating it into a stream even faster than the
ambient rate used to fill the reservoir. This works well with both reports of
small half life delays of radioactive gas (in reservoir outside cavity)and
reports of accelerated half lives (inside cavity). In fact you asked me about
the magnitude of these dilations with respect to tunneling and I think some of
these accelerated half life accelerations might be a good experimental way to
get a ball park on those numbers. I think this is a very rare phenomena where
the geometry, materials and environmental factors have to be carefully
controlled because the hydrogen must surf along the strongest Casimir force
gradients and be transforming/ contracting into ever smaller geometry--- which
brings up another consideration. An object at relativistic velocity appears to
have Lorentzian contraction on only 1 spatial axis while remaining unchanged on
the other 2 spatial axis due to the Pythagorean relationship of Gamma with
respect to the time axis. Equivalent acceleration is already effecting the time
axis directly and there is no spatial displacement therefore negative
equivalent acceleration should cause an object to contract in all 3 spatial
dimensions and appear to be displaced at a distance from any spatial
perspective outside of the cavity.... perhaps the enormous accelerations
reported for UFO's is actually time axis contraction of future spacecraft
returning to their time :_)
Regards
Fran
-----Original Message-----
From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 9:34 PM
To: francis
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:More on Ni-H LENR
In reply to francis 's message of Sat, 8 Jan 2011 21:01:18 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>
>
>Robin,
>
>When I say gas atoms see themselves as totally normal inside the cavity but
>time is accelerated inversely proportional to the cube of the spacing
>between Casimir plates I am simply applying a relativistic interpretation to
>the Casimir formula. That is to say the longer vacuum wavelengths are not
>suppressed between Casimir plates but rather space time transforms to allow
>the longer wavelengths to fit -
But there are lots of longer wavelengths. The longest is at least the size of
the universe (if not infinite). In order for it to fit, the time transformation
would also have to be infinite (which would also allow all the other waves to
fit), and besides, this doesn't match the Casimir formula, which is based on the
size of the cavity, IOW on the longest wavelength that *will* fit. What I'm
trying to say is that you can't have a different time transformation factor for
each wavelength, therefore you must use the factor which matches the longest
wavelength if you wish to follow this path.
Note also that any atom in a solid can be considered to be in a "point fault"
cavity in the solid. If time were really transformed to this degree, then
radioactive solids would all decay instantly.
The smallest possible space which may be considered a cavity is determined by
the shortest possible ZPE wavelength (the Planck length), since such a cavity
would exclude all waves, and anything larger would exclude a portion of the
waves meeting the definition of a Casimir cavity.
[snip]
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk
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