The Witch Doctor Files on Rossi (3 of 4) - Interview Transcript June 9 2011
DISCLAIMER: Readers may agree or disagree with what has been transcribed, or how I went about assembling (and editing) the information for vortex-l. That is to be expected. In the end, please evaluate it using your own inner wisdom. Feel free to critique the contents for accuracy (or inaccuracies), contradictions, fallacies, or just to share a few personal impressions of your own. It is after all through discourse that we all learn and grow from our collectively shared experiences. TOPICS DISCUSSED IN JUNE 9 2011 TRANSCRIPT: * Rossi is still focused on raising sufficient capital. He should "...not make [engineering] compromises" with the construction of his e-cats. * Nickel isn't the only element that can be used in the Rossi process. * The energy is due to: Changing their state from a solid, to liquid, to gas, and vice versa. Involves the releasing of the outer shell of electrons. Involves the outer ring of the electron. Very tricky maintaining optimal temperatures is essential. Upsets the "...quark balance". * The maturing of the Rossi effect is still 10 20 years away based on current level of research. ...but the knowledge is HERE NOW! * The Rossi Effect doesn't have to be in powder form. Apparently, can be in a solid crystalline form as well. * The Rossi Effect itself does not appear to produce nuclear transmutations - not directly. * As of June 2011 Rossi still does not understand what's causing the Rossi effect. Still has at least another year of "futzing" to do before it is ready for prime time. However, he is a "capable manager." An "...excellent politician." a "...very good general to be put in a science project like this.". * CERN and SLAC will eventually need to get involved, to aid in breakthroughs - particle identification. * Current theories pertaining to the Rossi Effect are [all] essentially incorrect. * The element MERCURY may be good at manipulating the Rossi Effect as well. ************************************************************** BEGIN EDITED TRANSCIPT: June 9, 2011 Each paragraph is prefixed by either SJ (Steven Johnson) or WD (The "Witch Doctor") (The channeler) followed by (MM:SS) ************************************************************** SJ 15:52 This is a follow-up on that Italian, Andrea Rossi ... WD 16:03 This is the fellow with the nickel. SJ 16:06 Yes, that is correct. ...with nickel powder and hydrogen I think as a matter of fact... Rossi continues to inform everyone at his blog site that his company will assemble... he's attempting to assemble a one megawatt thermal reactor in Xanthi, Greece... X-a-n-t-h-i... I think it the place. WD 16:27: yes. SJ 16:28 ...this October. Whether he will... WD 16:30 He is still raising funds. SJ 16:32 Yeah, that could be very well ... I mean there are several companies... WD 16:33 He is still raising funds. SJ 16:36 Ok. It's debatable whether he will be able to make that deadline at this point, but I have... WD 16:41 Well, the point is that he should not make compromises with the structure which is the other side this could take if he doesn't get adequate funding. But the basic problem here with all of this... Any of these metals are essentially alloys. SJ 16:59 Ok... WD 17:00 Ok... and they're minerals, and they will... we are looking for the correct word here... They will separate out from, in solution... at various temperatures. WD 17:17 You have to go to the next level in the periodic table in order to get energy. You have to go back up. So, it doesn't matter whether you enter this process from nickel or iron or any of the other metals. You still have to go backwards. SJ 17:34 I'm not quite sure I understand... WD 17:37 In other words, all of this is molten in the core of the planet. SJ 17:42 Well, we know that nickel and iron, whatever, are close to the bottom of the energy well, so to speak. WD 17:46 That's correct. But you need... What they're going to find is that it doesn't matter which of the elements they use to enter the process. They are still going have to go back further into a molten area, and they are going have to generate... they are going to have to siphon energy off when the materials change state. SJ 18:03 Ok... WD 18:04 The energy is available when the materials change state. Now, we will repeat this. THE ENERGY BECOMES AVAILABLE WHEN THE MATERIALS CHANGE STATE. SJ 18:18 Is that related to geometry? WD 18:21 No, it's related to melting point. SJ 18:23 Melting point... Interesting. SD 18:25 It is the cause of melting point. It is why there is a melting point, and not a melting zone. By melting point we also... You do understand we also mean freezing point. It's the same. It's the same number. WD 18:42 It's just which direction are you going... towards cold or towards hot. There is a very definite moment... a number... a point where something changes state, and at that point energy is released... energy is changed... energies can be made available. And that is the energy that needs to be utilized. And they will find this. They are not going to find it without getting to that level of energy to produce temperature and that state in a consistent way. SJ 19:15 Nickel melts at around 1500 centigrade... and what Rossi is doing is trying to make sure that his catalizer... his reactor, whatever, never reaches that rate... that... WD 19:31 Well, he's dealing with it the same way that your scientists in the United States are dealing with the problem of liquid helium. SJ 19:38 Ok. WD 19:39 Ok, and this is where we're saying, they get off the track a little bit. Because you can['t] get to an absolute zero. WD 19:48 And as helium begins to approach that point it never... it has enough residual energy of its own... the zero point energy that it never quite freezes on its own. You have to really push it to freeze. And that means applying a lot of energy to it. So... SJ 20:05 Well... WD 20:05 ...Just a moment... Helium is not the best way to get energy because you have to expend it go get it to freeze. SJ 20:10 Sure... sure... WD 20:10 But there are other elements in a similar situation that will release their outer shell of electrons, and when they do... before they get absorbed, those electrons get absorbed and changed into something else, that energy can be captured and utilized. This is what they will find is a solution, and they will find it. It's very tricky, maintaining temperatures, watching solutions as they go. Watching these elements through various solutions... controlling the temperatures and being able to capture the byproducts is a whole 'nother level of skill. WD 20:43 It's about 20 some odd years away. You may be able to do it in 10... it depends on the funding. The knowledge is there now! THEY KNOW! They've known since frankly the bomb. Ok, they knew in Los Alamos. They knew the basic ideas that they are using. And "cold" fission... "cold" fusion, either one... Is something they had an inkling of back in the 40s. But they have not been able to do it... and of course there have been other priorities. SJ 21:19 I'm baffled. I don't quite understand what's going on here. It was my understand that the reaction appears to happen at the surface of the metal, like nickel and so forth ... where the hydrogen and the nickel come in contact... WD 21:40 ...It doesn't happen at the surface. It happens at the outer ring of the electron. It just appears to happen at the surface. It's happening through the whole substance. It's happening to the outer ring of the substance... from the molecular level. WD 21:55 The outer ring begins to spin faster. Ok... There is always a zero point energy in any space at any time. And it fluxes. You can sometimes spontaneously get a photon or an electron emitted from it. WD 22:14 The residual energy that your science at this time are calling "Dark matter". [Did they actually mean "dark energy???" I don't know. Interpretation error?] But it's what it is. It's not a particular name, or anything else. It's just the energy of space. ...is a residual change. It's constantly changing. It's got a zero point energy. It's never zero. It just has a flux to it. It's the nature of it. WD 22:37 Now, when these materials change... temperature change and change under pressure and change under temperature. Those are two things. Each of them produces a different axis change. Each of them can produce completely different things. But it is both that they have to consider, temperature and pressure. It causes a change in the outer ring of the electron that's forming this particular substance. And the outer ring, the electrons begin to vibrate along the x and z and y axis. By vibrate all around. It's like twisting a bra strap. WD 23:14 And at that point they go through a process of chemical change. ...not chemical... they can chemically change, but they change... the continuity of the substance... they can go to a liquid to a gas to a solid. That's what causes that point. SJ 23:32 It's my understanding that Rossi is trying to prevent the nickel from reaching the melting point. Because when the melting point occurs the structure of the nickel... the powder starts fusing together and then... WD 23:50 ...Well, because it's the melting point. But the point we trying to make is that at the point when it reaches the change... the ability to change its crystalline structure, it emits and absorbs energy. And THAT's what he [Rossi] will eventually register. And THATS what he will eventually detect. And THATS what he will eventually harness. SJ 24:16 This sounds like it's not really a "nuclear" effect at all. WD 24:19: It's a state change... Based on temperature and pressure changes. SJ 24:23 Does that imply that there's actually no transmutation going on here. WD 24:27 That's correct. It's simply a change. When you die, your body simply converts into something else. That is a transformation. It's change SJ 24:38 There has been debate that is still going on at this point if there are any element transmutation[s] going on in the samples. WD 24:46 This is too picky. For example, when you want, when you have ... hematite and you expose it to great temperature like in a cooking pot the iron will precipitate out and collect in a little pool at the bottom. It will eventually harden and people will eventually discover that they can hammer at it and shape it but it's still hard. And that creates the stone age to the metal age. The iron age which you're still in now still. WD 25:20 It's the simple ability of materials to change their natures due to temperatures and pressure that creates the universe. It's not a transmutation. It's simply the part of the nature. Things under different temperatures and different pressures things have different ways that they express themselves. But their nature has not changed. It's like isotopes. Isotopes are isotopes. They are not something different. They are just a variety of the same thing. SJ 25:40 It seems to be important that... at least in Rossi's case he seems to be using something called a nickel powder substrate. He's not using big blocks. WD 26:00 He's starting with a solid. He's starting with a pulverized solid. SJ 26:05 It's pulverized, though. Its little tiny particles. WD 26:07 It's pulverized. And it's crystalline, yes. SJ 26:09 And it's key that these particles are really teeny tiny as I understand it... WD 26:11 No, not necessarily. But it makes it easier for them to change when they are that way because then you basically have a bunch of set of unique ones instead of one big large one that has to pulverize itself first. He's basically just skipping a step. SJ 26:25 Well that's good. WD 26:26 ...Ok, otherwise the whole thing would blow up and then he would have to go collect the pulverized powder from all over the walls of the floor, and make a little... a little mountain on a piece of tissue and move it over next door into the lab and then weigh it. SJ 26:40 Well, he's had lab fires, I understand. WD 26:41 Ok, Alright. So, our point is simply this: He's just moved it over a step. That's all. SJ 26:48 I'm still baffled. I'm still trying to comprehend what Rossi is trying to do. WD 26:52 Well you're trying to comprehend him, and he's wrong. But he's got the right idea. What people... what scientist have known around the world now for probably 60 years in your world is that when something changes state, energy is released. And they are definitely trying to harness that energy, which they did in the bomb. WD 27:15 By bringing two things together that shouldn't have been together, energy was released. They also know when they separate two things energy is released. The third thing is that when something changes state, energy is released. SJ 27:29 Interesting. WD 27:30 Ok. It's very simple. But they have to be able to harness that energy and there hasn't been enough of a military reason to give them the money to go figure it out. SJ 27:42 Well we certainly have energy issues now. It's desperate. WD 27:43 Yes, well, now 60 years later and things have changed... 70 years later. And things have changed. Now there is an incentive. And it's international and it's financially feasible and viable. Ok. And you will see progress here. Ok, but it took this long to get here. SJ 28:01 It sounds like Rossi... Rossi calls his reactors... energy catalizers... "E-Cat" for short, and... WD 28:11 Whatever... SJ 28:12: Yeah, whatever, and sometimes "E-Kittens" because he keeps... WD 28:14 Well, it's better than calling it the "kitchen melting pot." SJ 28:16 Yes, and he's come up with lots of... He keeps changing the size of it, too. Apparently he has been reducing the size... WD 28:22 He [Rossi] doesn't know what he's doing. He's got a lot of fiddling to do. What about your balloon brothers. How were they doing? [This was in reference to Rossi & Focardi being the Montgolfier hot air balloon brothers centuries ago in prior past lives. See march 5 2011 transcript.] SJ 28:29 Well, if you can get down to the ground without killing yourself then it's a successful flight. In Rossi's case, here, I think he's been reducing the size of his reactor cores, whatever, because I gather it's safer. WD 28:45 Rossi is a capable manager. He's an excellent politician. He's a very good general to be put in place of a science project like this. But at some point they are all going to have to talk to SLAC and to CERN and they are going to have to talk to the linear accelerator people and confirm results... because it is a particle explosions at high temperatures that's going to give them the breakthrough. And that hasn't come yet because CERN has just powered back up. Only two of the smaller reactors has powered back up. So it's taking a while for all of this to come together. [SLAC - National Accelerator Laboratory: http://www.slac.stanford.edu/] [CERN - European Organization for Nuclear Research: http://public.web.cern.ch/public/] WD 29:27 Particles... they are beginning to understand that there's some strange things that happen when particles change state. When they are either busted apart like a watch hitting another watch and then you have to sort out the pieces. SJ 29:38 All the springs and gears... WD 29:39 Yes. You don't know which piece does what and which piece goes with the watch... you haven't a clue. You just have a big pile of a mess on the floor... but you have a pile of mess you can identify that you didn't have before when the watches hit each other. Ok... So these, this kind of mixing of information and confirming of results is going to cause breakthroughs in both places but it's not there yet. WD 30:04 He's [Rossi] got a lot of futzing to do and you can basically ignore him for at least another year. SJ 30:10 Well we were hoping that by the end of this year Rossi would have his one megawatt device ready to heat a plant... That was his goal. He was going to use that as a demonstration device to heat a factory where he would manufacture his energy catalyzers. WD 30:25: Well, the problem is that speculative funds have not made themselves appear... that's part of the problem. He can't guarantee any of the results. He's still... ground research... and it's totally speculative, and the money hasn't been made available for it. WD 30:43: This has been a problem on going for the last 70 years. He's [Rossi] not unique. Ok... So, he's making a lot of noise to get a lot of attention. SJ 30:40 Sure WD 30:41: But the bottom line is that he is basic research. The only people that are getting the top funds now... even the space program has been dismantled in your country. This has been absolutely taken out of the public news to the best of their ability... They don't want people to know for them to realize what this means. Your country is going to have to depend on Russia to get anywhere. SJ 31:22 Oh, we know that! God yes! WD 31:25 But your average person on the street has no idea that there is no space program. SJ 31:28 They don't care at this point. It's not that important to them. WD 31:31 They don't care about anything. But that's another story. Anyway... that's the problem here, ok. The problem here is funding. And it will come. But he's [Rossi] basic research, he can't justify its existence at the moment. There have been other priorities. All basic research in the world has been cancelled SJ 31:50 Well, lots of people suspect Rossi doesn't know what's going on here. But the problem is that nobody knows what's really going on either. WD 31:54 No, there are some who do. Feynman did. SJ 31:57 Ok... But he's not here. WD 31:58 Heisenberg knew. There were a number of them that did. WD 32:40 A really good scientist doesn't have opinions. It's one of the hallmarks. They may have come to certain conclusions and they may be testing some theories but they have reasons for arriving there and they can state them clearly and they are all replicable by other people. It's not an opinion that they have. It's a conclusion that's temporary until something unearths... dislodges it. A really good scientist have the most open minds in the world. And they do everything they can to make sure their personality doesn't get in the way of their thinking. It's why they are good. SJ 33:14 I wouldn't know who to contact. WD 33:15 There are very few. They're few of them. They are scattered around. Carnige Melon has some. Bell Labs has some. Stanford has some. Lawrence Livermore has some. [Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/index.shtml] [Bell Labs: http://www.alcatel-lucent.com/wps/portal/BellLabs] [Stanford University http://www.stanford.edu/] [Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory https://www.llnl.gov/] SJ 33:30 NASA might be working on an aspect... not directly on Rossi's stuff, but they are certainly aware... Certain parts are aware of... WD 33:36 Yes, they are. SJ 33:37 They're testing... WD 33:38 They certainly... Their budget has been cut terribly. It's almost non-existent. SJ 33:40 There is a certain theory called the Widom-Larsen theory that they are trying to falsify to find out whether that's true, and I suspect they will find problems since that also involves transmutation of elements... since I gather what Rossi has stumbled across has nothing to do with transmutation of elements itself... has to do with electron shells. Is that correct assumption on my part? WD 34:05 Well, these theories... none of them... none of them are correct. WD 34:11 There's nothing about them that is even remotely correct. SJ 34:16 Well... you know, actually what you're talking about sounds like Randy Mills, of Black Light Power might actually have an inkling of something that's going on because his theory does involve electron shells. SJ 34:24 One needs to have more than an "inkling" to produce energy. SJ 34:27 Well, true... true. WD 34:29 We will reiterate at this point that when... you can detonate in a movie studio, by analogy, the atom bomb and hydrogen bomb... WD 34:42 ...because, you know, one is putting something together and one is taking something apart. SJ 34:45 Right... WD 34:46 As we have said many times, there are three states to every process. Well, the third state of this process is that when things change energy is released... automatically... which is a fact they are utilizing in the atom bomb and the fact that they utilized in the hydrogen bomb. Ok, in the atom bomb they did it by bringing two things together and in the hydrogen bomb they did it by splitting the atom. ...they changed the state... [The witch doctor described fission & fusion incorrectly. They reversed the process. "Transmission error..." ;-)] SJ 35:12... exactly the opposite of that, exactly. The hydrogen bomb... WD 35:14 That's correct. They did a Yin-Yang, they changed the state and they utilized the energy. What we're pointing out to you was that you can take a more complex substance such as a mineral and put it through a series of state changes and harness that energy. SJ 35:29 Ok WD 35:31 ...And if you've ever wondered why they are recalling all the mercury on the planet you'll get a feeling for some of this that they are doing. There's a lot of underground stuff going on. They are trying to get people never to go anywhere near mercury for a bunch of bullshit reasons. SJ 35:43 [I chuckle] WD 35:44 Mercury is one of those substances that releases energy when it changes state. WD 35:49: ...which is why they think it's dangerous. It's why it's such a good thermometer. Ok... Our point is that they [Rossi & associates.] have done it with a simple configuration where they upset the quark balance. WD 36:06 One by splitting and one by joining. Alright... you have covalent and ionic bond difference. There is another state which is the natural state change that any substance goes through under normal pressure and temperature change, and it releases energy when it does that. And that energy can be utilized. It can be regulated and it can be utilized. They are not there yet, but they will find it. SJ 36:31 SVJ) Yeah, well hopefully they will get there... WD 36:32 They get desperate enough for energy they will find it. And the question is whose going to find it... whose going to control it... Whose going to make the money off of it. SJ 36:39 Yeah... WD 36:40 Because they all know it can be done. Do not kid yourself. And do not fool yourself. They all know it's possible. They've done it. SJ 36:49 But they have been keeping it under wraps, it sounds like... WD 36:50 They haven't pursued it. They know it's very complicated. It's much more complicated than an atom or hydrogen bomb. And the side-effects of doing it improperly are much worse than a hydrogen or an atom bomb. SJ 37:01 Ok... WD 37:04 Ok, If they don't control it they could blow the planet apart. So they know that they have to go about it properly. The other side of the coin is who is going to control it. Whose is going to charge for it. How are they doing to do what they are going to do with it. Look what they've done with the internet. 37:25 (SVJ) Well... The internet, despite being buggy, has certainly has been a positive thing for the planet. 37:31: In spite of everyone else. In spite of the planet. ************************************************************** END OF EDITED TRANSCIPT ************************************************************** PERSONAL THOUGHTS AND ASSESSMENTS: Apparently, Rossi is still focused on raising sufficient capital to order to make sure his e-cats perform as advertized. He should "...not make compromises" with the overall structure. To compromise could be dangerous. Nickel isn't the only element that can be used in the Rossi process. Mercury might be another good candidate. The element has been recalled because many suspect it has unusual properties, and its unique effects apparently frighten many. Many reasons have been given for the recall of MERCURY, however some of the explanations given might be bogus insofar as the general public is concerned. The unaccounted for energy is due to when the elements and/or alloys "...change state". Changing their state from a solid, to liquid, to gas, and vice versa. The generation of energy is related to the releasing of the outer shell of electrons, the outer ring of the electron (shell). Apparently, this is a very tricky process maintaining optimal temperatures is essential. The Rossi Effect involves an "...upset [of] the quark balance." The maturing of the Rossi effect is still at least 10 20 years away based on current level of research. ...but apparently the knowledge of producing it (albeit in a primitive fashion) is HERE NOW! There are people who have suspected for decades what is behind the Rossi Effect. They knew in Los Alamos, when working on the bomb. It would seem that in order to generate the Rossi Effect elements used, such as nickel, do not necessarily have to be in powder form. Apparently, they alloy can be in a larger solid crystalline form as well. However the bigger the crystalline structure is that is employed, the more volatile the process might become! The Rossi Effect does not by ITSELF appear to produce nuclear transmutations. Perhaps it can - indirectly? If it is capable of "blow[ing] up the planet... yeah, I'm sure it could induce nuclear effects." As of June 2011 Rossi still doesn't understand what's causing the Rossi effect. Nevertheless, Rossi is on the right track. He is a "capable manager." An "Excellent politician." A "...very good general to be put in a science project like this". Eventually, however, scientific institutions like CERN and SLAC will need to get involved in order to help identify a collection of subatomic particles that apparently are being generated during the Rossi Effect. Mapping the kinds of particles generated will help in better understanding the effect, which in turn will user in breakthroughs. According to the Witch Doctor Rossi still has another year of "futzing" to do before he is ready for prime time. On the surface this would seem to contradict Defkalion's claim that they will be ready by the fourth quarter in 2011. The claim is that as of June, sufficient funding to develop Rossi's e-cats has NOT yet manifested. It is allegedly causing development delays. Rossi is trying to generate a lot of noise (positive publicity) in order to get his funding. Basic R&D has been severely crippled across the planet. NASA and other science agencies are suffering the results. All current theories pertaining to the Rossi Effect are essentially incorrect. Back to the drawing board. ;-) Things that still have to be worked out: When the planet "...get[s] desperate enough for energy they will find it. And the question is whose going to find it... whose going to control it... Whose going to make the money off of it." Final Post: The Witch Doctor Files on Rossi (4 of 4) - Personal Assessments & Conclusions Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
