On Dec 29, 2011, at 20:09, Horace Heffner <hheff...@mtaonline.net> wrote:

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> On Dec 29, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Charles HOPE wrote:
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>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Horace Heffner <hheff...@mtaonline.net> 
>> wrote:
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>> On Dec 27, 2011, at 9:05 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
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>> Horace,
>> 
>> Thanks for the comment.
>> 
>> What is needed are some toy models with some simple simulations.
>> I will check out your theory.
>> Do you believe any "new physics" is required
>> - or does standard QM suffice?
>> I am getting pretty boggled by the complexity of it all.
>> 
>> LP
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>> I think it is presently not computationally feasible to analyze the deflated 
>> state using QM. This is due to the extreme relativistic effects combined 
>> with magnetic effects.
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>> I'm not sure why quantum mechanics couldn't analyze this state,
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> I think  ultimately it can.  I know of no analytic method available, other 
> than possibly FEA.   Naudt's relativistic orbital description has gained 
> little acceptance, and neither has Mulenberg's.   The addition of spin 
> coupling magnetic considerations  puts the complexity over the top, as far as 
> I know.  I think the key now is to focus on the gestalt, experimental 
> implications, and hope detailed analysis follows as experiment dictates.  
> Also, as an amateur with limited life expectancy and education, this is the 
> only choice I have. 
> 
> 
>> but I don't believe that the concept of deflation is mainstream physics, is 
>> it?
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> No, deflation fusion is not mainstream, it is my concept.  However, the 
> deflated state itself can be, was, described using conventional physics.


How so? It sounds like an electron level below the ground state, forbidden by 
QM. 



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>> Also, what are your criticisms of Takahashi?
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> I see no use in criticizing Takahashi.   I gather it is culturally difficult 
> for him, especially coming from an amateur like me.  No need to be even more 
> socially insensitive than I already am.  


Sorry, I didn't mean criticism of him personally, but his theory. Doesn't it 
have less New Physics, and so should be preferable?




> 
> In general, I see the large number of variations of D+D -->  intermediate 
> product --> 4He theories, even my common sense X + 2D --> X + 4He "nuclear 
> catalysis" idea, as failing to describe the most important and mysterious 
> aspects of cold fusion, namely heavy element transmutation without the 
> abundant high energy signatures that should be observed, or even the massive 
> heat that should be observed if conservation of mass-energy is necessary.


I thought I understood you a few days ago to mean that the energy difference 
(23MeV?) typically seen as a gamma ray, here is seen as heat. That was my 
interpretation when you said the heat was the correct quantity to the helium. 


>  Any such theory that is adequate to do this can not assume neutrons precede 
> the cold fusion reactions, because neither neutron activation nor radioactive 
> byproducts are observed except in very small amounts that do not correspond 
> to the overall transmutation rate.  I think heavy element transmutation is 
> where the essence of the field lies.  It is unfortunate so much thinking is 
> focused on D+D.  Perhaps it is assumed that since D+D is difficult to 
> explain, that X+H or X+D  is far more difficult or impossible to explain, or 
> even does not exist.  This I think is far from the truth. The most critical 
> impediments are tunneling  distance and tunneling energy.  These are 
> impediments overcome by the shorter distance to lattice atoms from lattice 
> sites, and the net energy gain to be had from the tunneling of deflated state 
> hydrogen.  Heavy element transmutation is far more credible and probable to 
> me than direct hydrogen + hydrogen fusion. Perhaps the latter does not even 
> happen to any significant degree.  The lack of conservation of energy, both 
> on the positive and negative sides, is explained by the trapped electron 
> concept, which is also not conventional thinking, but rather part of the 
> deflation fusion concept.  The trapped electron can kinetically absorb the 
> initial EM pulse of the strong nuclear reaction, radiate in small increments, 
> and be involved in follow-on weak reactions with greatly elevated 
> probabilities due to extended lingering time.  In some cases it may help 
> induce fission.   Understanding the trapping mechanism in the first place, 
> once tunneling is accepted, is high school physics.  Understanding how the 
> electron can escape without a weak reaction, however, takes some 
> understanding of zero point energy. 
> 
> My theory is really just common sense.  I am surprised that it is so 
> non-palatable.  I have assumed that is because my writing skills are so bad 
> and because I need pictures.


I would guess people want more math. It's hard to convey over email, but I have 
a solution for that I'll write up this weekend. 




>  I guess I shouldn't be surprised at all though.  Many cold fusion theories 
> are only accepted by their authors. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Horace Heffner
> http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
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