OK - I see that you are conflating prior LENR with Rossi. That is easy to do, but complicates everything.
We are in agreement that LENR is very strange if you try to distill knowledge from the full range, since it covers too much territory to make easy generalizations. Deuterium experiments are very different from hydrogen, and transmutation is common in deuterium. There are many proved anomalies in either field, but it is too easy to conflate the two. But it is a huge mistake to try to justify Ni-H with Pd-D. The two are very different. Look at the elements as they are seen in reactions: H compared to D. The mass difference alone is a staggering ratio of ~2:1. Imagine Uranium with an isotope at 170 <g> Are we in agreement so far? ________________________________ From: Aussie Guy E-Cat You must be joking? Right? Jed's archives are full of reports of transmutations. Even the high school kids reported transmutations. May I suggest you need to step outside your Standard Model mind set and actually read what other are reporting? Remember the "Experiment Rules". There are transmutations occurring, going both ways. Time to accept the experimental evidence is real even though your understanding of physics can't explain it. So maybe stop trying to deny what is happening is not happening. Closing your eyes to the reality of transmutations will not help you to come to grips with the experimental evidence. So lets all say in one voice: *"What is happening is happening. It is not explainable using current understanding of our world."* At least then we are ALL on common ground. AG On 12/30/2011 12:15 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > I'm pretty sure you have not followed this thread very closely, or else you > are >a bit too trustworthy of Rossi. > > What "observed transmutations" are you speaking of? Please do not say "this > is >what AR told me". BTW, nickel to copper is NOT an acceptable answer. There is >no >such thing as nickel to copper at tens of kilowatts of excess - without deadly >levels of radiation... and, last time I check AR was still ticking, so to >speak. >Maybe radiation poisoning explains a few things. > > Jones > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Aussie Guy E-Cat > > "Could be an unknown reaction going on here"??? You mean "There is an unknown >reaction going on here". As for salvaging, there is nothing to salvage. The >"experiment rules". Game, Set, Match. > > Should I again mention the observed transmutations? Yea I know, they can't be >real as there are no nuclear reactions occurring here, even those that we may >not understand. So what is it a Philosopher's Stone (ZPE powered per chance?) >causing the observed transmutations, if they are not the result of a nuclear >reaction, which you claim is not happening? > > Maybe simpler to admit there are nuclear reactions occurring and you can't >explain them using existing knowledge. That said do you accept wide ranging >transmutations are occurring in FPE devices, even though you have no idea how >they are occurring? > > > AG > > > On 12/30/2011 11:29 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > > > > But yes ! we all agree that “experiment rules” and there could be an > > unknown >reaction going on here which also violates conservation of charge, in addition >to everything else - and my arguments assume either known reactions or those >that have a substantial theoretical basis. > > > > BUT … isn’t violating conservation of charge adding yet another miracle to >the one or two you are trying to salvage? > > >
