“It seems to me that a cold fusion system with containment is still better
than a hot fission system with containment, i.e. Fukushima. since a cold
fusion system can "cool down" by itself without having to dump half the
ocean on it...”

This is true. But it is worth almost anything to keep the Nuclear
Regulatory Commission (NRC) out of the cold fusion field completely. The
NRC will kill cold fusion like it has done to Nuclear. The NRC has a global
reach and their regulatory environment is stifling in the extreme.

Rossi could have fielded a heat and radiation generating reactor product
years ago but in his great wisdom Rossi went for the gold ring; a product
in which the NRC has no business to even track let alone regulate.

The NRC regulation is a cost multiplier in order of magnitude dimensions.

“Also, if Nanospire is creating an assortment of rare earth metals through
various transmutations and decays, it seems like that might be a USEFUL
thing as long as you contain any radiation during production.

If the rare earth metals customer bought transmutation product from
NanoSpire, they would be willing to buy the same type material from
reprocessed nuclear fission waste stockpiles. But there is a deep
psychological block among the general puplic to accept such products. I
just don’t thing that the transmutation metals market is there.

"Nanospire directed their Rydberg crystals at an aluminum core for initial
tests, it seems like Rydberg "Spires" could be aimed at just about any
element's Coulomb Barrier and yield some interesting results...”

If a NanoSpire core was fabricated from thorium or uranium instead of
aluminum, such a modified reactor might be a huge proliferation risk.

The DOE should be building such a reactor right now to exclude this
proliferation/dirty bomb possibility.





On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Chemical Engineer <cheme...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Axil,
>
> I appreciate your ongoing technical and logical explanations, primarily
> because I can understand them...  My one comment about your following
> statement:
> *
> *
> *"Without this radiation suppression mechanism in place and operating AT
> ALL TIMES, a cold fusion system is of little use.* "
>
> It seems to me that a cold fusion system with containment is still better
> than a hot fission system with containment, i.e. Fukushima. since a cold
> fusion system can "cool down" by itself without having to dump half the
> ocean on it...  The $20B ITER project will have significant containment to
> protect against intense neutron bombardment from the core.
>
> Also, if Nanospire is creating an assortment of rare earth metals through
> various transmutations and decays, it seems like that might be a USEFUL
> thing as long as you contain any radiation during production.  Nanospire
> directed their Rydberg crystals at an aluminum core for initial tests, it
> seems like Rydberg "Spires" could be aimed at just about any element's
> Coulomb Barrier and yield some interesting results...
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  *IMHO, we have been correctly told by DGT that their LENR process is a
>> complex one comprised of many related and interconnected but separable
>> sub-processes which when combined together produce heat without the
>> production of intense and long lasting radiation.*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *I believe that their cold fusion process includes one sub-process that
>> removes or greatly lowers the coulomb barrier to allow various neighboring
>> nucleons to come together in a wide assortment of ways to form new types of
>> nuclei. This process not only produces radiation from the nuclear fusion
>> process but also from resulting newly created isotopes.*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *The other major sub-process is one that overlays this fusion process
>> and thermalizes this radiation production. This process involves the
>> establishment and maintenance of a quantum mechanical coherent environment
>> within in the nuclear active population of nuclei.*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *What I am saying is that a large amount of radiation will be generated
>> in a fusion system that is not coherent. *
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *A example of such a system that produces radiation and transmutation is
>> the NanoSpire system. This system is not quantum mechanically coherent and
>> as a result it will generated intense radiation from its intense fusion
>> process. *
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *Rossi’s major concern was to eliminate or at least greatly mitigate any
>> radiation produced by his system. He has pulled this off and this is a
>> major accomplishment of both Rossi and DGT in they mostly produce heat and
>> have suppressed radiation from there systems.*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *Without this radiation suppression mechanism in place and operating AT
>> ALL TIMES, a cold fusion system is of little use.*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> * *
>>
>> * *
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Joseph Hao <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>> Hey Vortex Gang,
>>>
>>> My primary question motivating this post/query is to get a consensus on
>>> whether the presence of radiation is a necessary prerequisite for LENR/Cold
>>> Fusion Effects.  IOW, is radiation ALWAYS present when an LENR/Cold Fusion
>>> effect occurs.
>>>
>>> On one hand, there appears to be copious evidence that radiation of some
>>> form or another is present during an LENR process.  On the other hand, many
>>> people, including many here in Vortex appears to brush aside the
>>> evidence of radiation as circumstantial and unverified.  What is
>>> the consensus?  Is Radiation always present?  Is Radiation a foolproof
>>> indication of an LENR process?
>>>
>>> This question is prompted after mulling over what Axil suggested to me a
>>> few post back.  In his suggestion to my experimental protocols, he
>>> suggested I consider integrating a Cloud Chamber into my experiments.
>>>  Well, after thinking about it for a while and trying to come up with a
>>> suitable way of integrating a "HOT" reactor inside a "COLD" cloud chamber;
>>> I have come to the conclusion that it might be beyond my technical and
>>> financial ability to do so.  So, instead, I have come up with the second
>>> best thing.   I have been thinking of integrating my reactor, not into a
>>> Cloud Chamber, but rather into an Ion Chamber design.  Integrating a hot
>>> reactor into an Ion chamber appears to be straightforward and simple.
>>>
>>> So, instead of using flow calorimetry to detect excess heat in an LENR
>>> process, I will be using the Ion chamber to detect radiation.  As far as I
>>> know, there is no known chemical process that releases radiation, if the
>>> reactants start from non-radioactive elements.  So, if I detect radiation,
>>> high enough to be detectable in a DIY Ion chamber, then that excess
>>> radiation must be way above ambient, which means that there is only one
>>> possible conclusion - that my reactor inside the Ion chamber is releasing
>>> radiation.  And since  the reactor walls would be thick(er), most of the
>>> detected radiation would not be Alphas and Betas, but rather higher energy
>>> gammas.  And if I am detecting copious gammas, then an LENR reaction must
>>> be the source.  I'm thinking this might be a more straightforward way of
>>> detecting LENR reactions, rather than Heat calorimetry.
>>>
>>> What do you guys?  Is this a good way to hunt for the LENR/Rossi process
>>> and catalysts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

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