Heavy ion fusion is an interesting technology but I suspect that it is not as 
simple to put on line as the speaker in the video suggests.  There appears to 
be many difficult engineering challenges to solve and they take time.  Does 
anyone know of an actual working system that has been constructed since the 
2004(?) filming of this presentation?  Also, the natural gas available due to 
fracking far exceeds the quantity suggested by the speaker but I realize that 
he had no way of knowing that this resource would come into being.

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Lynn <robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:08 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:"There is no tomorrow" Video


Very well presented.  The first half should be looked at by all
oliticians responsible for implementing the long term plans required
o maintain our standard of living.  But I disagree with the ultimate
onclusions.  All the problems presented including mineral, and water
hortages (possible exception of overfishing) are solvable with other
nergy sources.  Even ignoring LENR I am quite sure that we have
ccess to all of the energy that humanity needs from alternative
ources like solar, nuclear, wind at a price not far above today's
ery low prices.
But even without viable LENR there is a technology available that
ould manufacture oil and electricity from inexhaustible sources for a
rice about half of current oil and electricity.  Not many people have
eard of it but Heavy Ion Fusion would be a total solution:
ttp://www.fusionpowercorporation.com/corporation
 hour long presentation:
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2emKoMgZ03U
In summary Heavy Ion Fusion uses a huge linear accelerator driver to
use lead coated D-T targets, and is expected to cost about $20Billion
or 100GW output (no sense in building smaller owing to ignition
nergy requirements).  That is many times cheaper than nuclear and
voiding all the problems of nuclear power.  HIF creates energy at
igh temp that can be used to create hydrogen in sulphur iodine cycle,
hat can then be combined with CO2 from the atmosphere to create
ydrocarbons at about $50/barrel equivalent.  Waste heat from hydrogen
roduction can then make electricity and waste heat from electricity
roduction can then do huge-scale desalination.
A few hundred of these plants dotted around the world would provide
or all of humanities future energy and water needs, and the
echnology does not require any breakthroughs - it could be built
ithin 10 years using mostly 1970's technology - it is for example
uch simpler and more easily implemented technology than what NIF or
TER requires.  And it is very compatible with existing
nfrastructure.
The problem is that it requires the political will to spend $20-30
illion over 10 years to get it working - actually similar cost to
TER or about 2-3% of cost of the 'war on terror'
ttp://costofwar.com/en/ but it would be a much cheaper way of
nsuring access to oil than middle eastern intervention has been.

n 1 April 2012 01:49, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote:
 They paint a pretty gloomy picture.  The unknown future has always appeared
 limited, but somehow we seem to get through it and I think LENR will come to
 the rescue this time.

 Dave


 -----Original Message-----
 From: Patrick Ellul <ellulpatr...@gmail.com>
 To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
 Sent: Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:05 pm
 Subject: [Vo]:"There is no tomorrow" Video

 Most of you might have already come across this, but here it goes:

 About the future of
 energy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOMWzjrRiBg&feature=share

 How much of the figures are for real? What about the gloomy conclusion?

 Regards,


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