Thanks Jones, I was thinking about jumping in but you put it much more succinctly than I could have managed! Fran
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:08 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China? Nice - if true. The big plus is the connection to Ni-H, which is far from obvious. Even if the emdrive violates one or more physical principles (Laws) such as conservation of momentum, it may still be subject to CoE. But the fact that it works at all, if it does, gives plausible support to the hypothesis of Fran Roarty and others who have been convinced of the many cross-connections of nano-geometry to LENR. These especially involve a dynamical Casimir effect (DCE) as the motive force in Ni-H. Very elegant. Explains the lack of gammas, lack of neutrons, lack of beta radiation, lack of transmutation but the presence of hot protons with no obvious source of acceleration other than the zero point field. Shawyer maintains SR comes into play because the group velocity at either end of his horn are large fractions of the speed of light, creating a tiny differential in radiation pressure which can be multiplied by the Q of the microwave cavity. His microwave source and geometry may amount to a powered segregation of these depletion and concentration zones allowing the device to "drive" vacuum fluctuations ... as opposed to allowing the fluctuations to drive reactions in a Casimir cavity as can happen in Ni-H. Check Fran's site for more info. This also relates to how parts of Mills' theory fit into the picture, without necessarily having to rely on those parts of CQM which we do not like. From: Alan J Fletcher ... With 1000W microwave input, using brass as the material of the cavity, using the classical theory of electrodynamics, the maximum theoretical thrust produced in modes TE011 and TE012 is 411mN and 456mN respectively, and the practical measurements are 214mN and 315mN.