At 02:06 AM 8/16/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
I had unsubscribed and never intending to repost here again but I
just can't stand the pretentious verbal diarrhea of this
self-appointed so called LENR Expert.
Sorry, honey, I'm late for dinner, but Someone is Wrong on the Internet.
I tend to write in response to issues, questions, comments.
Occasionally I write something original. I also research my topics,
it can take a long time to write, but I also comment on what I've
found as if the reader might be interested. I'm only writing for
interested readers, not necessarily for everyone.
Jojo, here, reports a highly negative response to my writing. He's
not the first, and he's not the first to report this and then to
continue eating the diarrhea, to continue getting sick from it, and
to complain at length. Jojo, consistently, has refused to look at
himself, at his own behavior. In his world, anyone who points out the
blatant errors in his assumptions and writings is an idiot, Obot
believer in obviously faked PDFs, believer in evolution against all
evidence, any of many situations that really show us how Jojo is
teetering on the edge of a cliff, caught in the web of what he firmly
believes, against all evidence. I.e., what he sees in others. Cast
the beam out of your own eye, first, Jojo. Didn't someone you
supposedly revere say something like that?
I'll never attack your real faith and your actual reverence. What
I've pointed out is your hypocrisy, as your Friend would point out.
You would crucify your friends, as you did before. Isn't being a
"Christian" taking that on, taking responsibility for it, and living
the truth of it?
Last time I checked, science and the scientific method involves
First, coming up with a hypothesis to explain the observed
phenomena, then testing your hypothesis with experiments. And this
is exactly what CE is doing. He has come up with a hypothesis and
I believe he intends to test it with experiments.
Jojo may believe that, but I don't see that from CE. CE is
hypothesizing, having fun. Nothing wrong with that, per se. CE is
free to contradict me; after all, this immediate issue is about what
CE intends to do, and he would be the world's foremost authority on that.
He has graciously shared his theory for peer review and
discussion. He has done the first steps of what a good scientist
should be doing. Of course, I am cognizant of the fact that his
theory is new and a little incomplete, but CE has made no
pretensions otherwise.
I have not accused CE of any pretense. "A little incomplete," though
is a major understatement. So what?
But instead of contributing to the discussion about the theory and
advancing our understanding, Abd has resorted to envious criticism.
I wrote in response to CE, giving him the benefit of a few years of
study and research. (I'm, relatively speaking, an expert on cold
fusion because I've written about the field since 2009, reading
extensively and discussing it with experts, and I had the scientific
background to understand the issues.)
CE doesn't seem to mind, he appreciated it. He will do, with this,
what he chooses. Jaro has no clue what is really going on here, he's
seeing everything through his own illness and allergy to criticism.
He expects others to react as he reacts.
This verbal diarrhea is symptomatic of what is wrong with
scienctists nowadays (not that I consider this dude to be a
scientist by any stretch of the imagination.)
That's contradictory, you know. Most scientists don't write at length
for a somewhat-general audience as I do. Whether I'm a "scientist" or
not depends on definitions. It's not my profession. I was simply
trained in the sciences. Usually I claim to be a writer, and I've
been an editor, professionally and otherwise. Sometimes I write on
certain sciences, especially where I have some unusual experience.
Sometime, for example, I might write about the normal central
scotoma. Do you know that it is fairly easy to directly see it? You
read it here first.
(A highly competent optometrist I told about this certainly did not
know that. What it takes is not difficult, simply unusual. I stumbled
across it. I notice stuff that others don't notice, sometimes.)
Too much pride and false expertise being thrown around.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
This dude Abd thinks he is an expert in LENR, and criticizes
anything that he did not come up with.
That's preposterous. I comment on the comments of others, sometimes
identifying errors in them. Most of what I write about is not
original with me, though some is.
Others do the same for me, by the way. I'm subscribed to the mailing
list for LENR researchers, having been invited. In other words, they
think of me as one of them, and I actually function that way. I was
credited in the Storms review (2010) in Naturwissenschaften, because
of editorial work I did with that article. I'm involved in current
research, and am preparing to do my own original research, I have all
the necessary materials, and one kit that I made has already been run
by a student. I'm not prepared, yet, to report again on what
happened. Everything in its time.
One of the reasons I do know so much about cold fusion, LENR, is that
I write what I think, and that provides an opportunity for
correction. It's a very fast way to learn. I make a lot of mistakes
at first, but those mistakes generally decline with time. Many times,
I've stuck my foot in my mouth, but what allows me to learn is that I
come to recognize the taste of my own foot, and sometimes I don't
even, then, need someone else. Ah, there's that taste again!
But because I write freely, on mailing lists like this, I don't edit
myself much. There are mistakes in what I write. Often nobody notices
them, sometimes I've written something confidently for *years* until
it finally comes up. Too many times it's come up because I was
writing something more formal and needed to nail down the evidence,
and, ooops! I'd misread it. That's a bit frustrating, I wish that my
*friends* were more critical!
So enemies will have to do. Listen to your enemies (or those you
imagine are your enemies), Jaro, you can learn a great deal from
them. They will tell you what your friends will not, if you are
lucky. But ... to benefit from this, you'll have to listen to them.
Again, your Friend said things about this. Instead of imagining that
he was warning and advising everyone *else* -- which would be useless
to you, or worse -- consider that he might be talking about you. For
your benefit.
He did it with Axil and now with CE.
Jojo should be aware whom he is serving by attempting to stir up
enmity between us. CE isn't offended, and Axil is quite a good
writer, and knowledgeable, generally. I think he's also, like CE,
tending to go a bit overboard, proposing theory to explain
unestablished science, but this is Vortex. People do that here. It's fun.
Yet, he himself has not really come up with anything to advance
our understanding of this field.
Well, I have, but this isn't the place to go into that.
Nor is he involved in any experiment that we know of, to help
explain the phenomena.
I'm involved, but it's private. This is current research, with a
major published author. And that's as much as I can disclose at this time.
Just all talk and verbal diarrhea and criticisms and insults.
Which Jojo seems compelled to read again.
Frankly, I am sick of all talk and no action from this dude. Though
I do not consider myself an expert, at least I am doing something to
help explain this phenomena. Much much more that what Abd has done
with his pretentious criticisms and verbal diarrhea.
We don't need "explanations." We actually aren't ready for them,
there isn't enough data. We have over twenty years of speculation by
people who know ten times as much about nuclear physics, as anyone
likely to be writing on this list, and none of those explanations are
adequate, yet, to be published recently in any peer-reviewed journal
as anything more than a conjecture, an incomplete piece of a possible theory.
PS: Tell us Abd exactly what your expertise is.
I'm an expert in recognising pseudoscience from know-it-all fanatics.
I've actually been mentioned for that in an article by Martin
Gardner. I'm also an expert in pseudoskepticism, in line with Gardner
and especially Truzzi.
A quick google search reveals Abd to be a college dropout who's
claim to famed is that he "studied" physics.
No, that's obviously not my claim to fame. It's a fact: I dropped out
of the California Institute of Technology, in my third year, to
pursue other interests. Call it life. I have seven children and six
grandchildren, and I've run a number of businesses, and I've done
many other things. At Cal Tech, I took first-year chemistry, my
professor was Linus Pauling. First and second-year physics were with
Richard P. Feynman, those were the two years that resulted in his
standard physics text. That dates my first two years at Cal Tech
precisely to Fall 1961 - Spring 1963. I left Cal Tech for a year,
then came back for one term, and left in good standing. Never went
back. In my sabbatical year, I went to Long Beach State College for a
term, took an art class and lucked out, for I had a famous professor,
Conner Everts. http://artshiftsanjose.com/?p=5164
Everts came into that class, toward the end, in a wheelchair from the
police beating mentioned on that page. I remember Everts' response
when I justified the apparently massive deviation of a piece of mine
from the apparent assignment. He asked me about the assignment. I
repeated it to him (accurately). It was to juxtapose a
three-dimensional piece with a two-dimensional piece such that the
eye was fooled.
I had taken a mattress board, covered with cloth with images of
chrystanthemums on it, had taped a real dried chrysanthemum on it,
and ran a single stroke of ugly green paint across the mattress board
cover. After all, this was "art." He pointed out that this was a real
chrysanthemum, and the images of chrysanthemums on the cloth were
stylized, even a different coler (white rather than the brownish
color of the dried flower).
I said, "It's not perfect."
He laughed so hard his glasses fell off and broke. Of course, "not
perfect" was my point. No representation is perfect. He knew that. We
had a lot of fun in that class. I got an A. Of course, so did
everyone else who wanted one and agreed to his terms.
Now, he is a wikipedia editor for Cold Fusion.
Not at all. That's really old news. I'm banned on Wikipedia. As was
almost every expert on cold fusion who dared to make knowledgeable
suggestions on the article Talk page, such as Jed Rothwell. (Jed has
not been formally banned, but would still be treated as if he was.
Wikipedia process is a tad feudal.) If you want an earful, ask Jed
about Wikipedia.
So, this is the background of our Wiki "expert". You know what my
mother always says; " Shallow waters run noisy." LOL ...
You should listen to your mother, Jojo. She is warning you. You think
it's about other people.
