OK, once again, I'm an idiot.  I mouth off before investigating the matter.  
So, in fact, you're right.  2He does indeed decay back to H+ and H+.  I forgot 
to realize that stable Helium is 4He not 2He.


But 1H + 11B should be an ideal fusion reaction, right?  No hard radiation?  




Jojo


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jojo Jaro 
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 4:44 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King


  It seems to me that 2He being a Noble gas would be stable and not decay back 
to 2   H+ ions.  If what you are saying is true, wouldn't all our helium simply 
spontaneously fission back to H+ ions, ergo, we wouldn't see any Helium in the 
atmosphere.


  Jojo










  ---- Original Message ----- 
    From: Jones Beene 
    To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
    Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:46 PM
    Subject: RE: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King


     

    From: Jojo Jaro 

     

    PS: On a different note, what would a p + p fusion reaction look like.  I 
have designed a new reactor with a view sight glass, hopefully, I'll see some 
fusion reactions taking place.

     

    This is where the problem arises. Sadly, you will probably never see it, 
even if you look until you are as old as I am.

     

    This reaction cannot happen above background rates on earth, or outside of 
extreme acceleration gradients, such as in a mile long beam-line. Even on the 
sun, it is seldom gainful. It is a two step reaction and the gain does not come 
from fusion at all - but from the subsequent beta decay of the metastable fused 
helium (2He) into deuterium. Most of the time, essentially all of the time - 
the reaction will NOT proceed to deuterium since the initial helium-2 nucleus 
will revert back to two protons and a slight net loss. 

     

    Even on the sun, there is only one successful beta decay per every 
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 fusion events J (or else the sun would have run 
out of fuel early on) . and there is doubt among experts that there is net gain 
in this reaction at all, even on the sun, considering the rarity of the beta 
decay and the elastic scattering. 

     

    Again - just so we are clear, gain in PP reactions depends completely on 
the secondary beta decay of the initial helium-2 nucleus, and this is 
extraordinarily rare. It is QM and not thermonuclear. You will never see it in 
LENR, unless of course, there is a novel version of it which is precisely the 
proverbial second or third miracle in LENR (over and above the excess heat and 
lack of gamma radiation). 

     

    But if multiple miracles are required, in addition to excess heat - you 
might as well stick with Gremlins J

     

    Jones

     

    BTW as for transmutation products - these are mundane in many situations. 
Roy Hammack spent a lifetime documenting transmutation under power lines 
(always happens) lightning strikes and even in neon light electrodes. The point 
being that transmutation alone means little more than that an electron arc was 
present. 

     

    If you want to show the heat came from the transmutation - that is a far 
different story, and Piantelli or no one else has come close to a correlation 
of the heat radiated to the tiny amount of transmutation.

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