It looks very similar to the device currently under discussion in that it has a ramp of magnets with a discontinuity at the full cycle.
Are they the same scam? Where can one read about the "well known scam"? On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Mark Goldes <mgol...@chavaenergy.com> wrote: > That site is the latest version of a well known scam. > > > Mark Goldes > Co-founder, Chava Energy > CEO, Aesop Institute > 301A North Main Street > Sebastopol, CA 95472 > > www.chavaenergy.com > www.aesopinstitute.org > > 707 861-9070 > 707 497-3551 fax > ________________________________________ > From: James Bowery [jabow...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 2:49 PM > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine > > The video at this site clearly shows accelleration. > > http://diymagneticmotor.com/ > > That pretty much rules out the "low friction" argument. > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Harry Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com<mailto: > hveeder...@gmail.com>> wrote: > According to standard physics, it is impossible to design a magnetic > motor that won't get stuck after a few turns. Therefore, questions > about how much was energy was needed to assemble the device distract > from the real significance of the demonstration. Either this is a hoax > OR the device is really able to overcome the sticking problem and turn > indefinitely. > > > > harry > > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:33 PM, James Bowery <jabow...@gmail.com<mailto: > jabow...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Has anyone tried to do any arithmetic here? > > > > I mean to even an order of magnitude? > > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Harry Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com > <mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > >> Assuming no hidden power sources, the assumption is the work done > >> repeatedly lifting the magnets (and the rod at the side) will > >> eventually exceed the energy required to place the magnets in their > >> starting position. > >> > >> Harry > >> > >> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:31 AM, Teslaalset <robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com > <mailto:robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com>> > >> wrote: > >> > This stuff is quite misleading. > >> > One has to put energy in first to get the moving magnet into its > >> > starting > >> > position. > >> > So there is no energy gain. > >> > > >> > > > > >
