At 01:44 AM 12/25/2012, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:
Dave:
Couldnt agree more, that there will never be
agreement
and thats ok, but take the debate elsewhere, guys
-Mark
This forum is being abused to host material that
is (1) not relevant and (2) highly offensive.
This isn't just the anti-Islamic stuff, it's
whatever topic the troll brings. The birther
stuff had no place here at all. The global
warming stuff, some justification, but again
taking discussion completely out of the realm of
our collective interest, and blaming regular list
paticipants for making relatively
non-controversial comments, and the anti-Islamic
comments had zero justification, they were pure
trolling and deliberate offense.
All this goes into the archive, which is internet
searchable, and these posts come up in searches,
even prominently. So I've answered here, because
there is no other place more appropriate to
answer. If this forum were being abused to
promote Islam, for example, then there would be
at least some level of excuse for Jojo Jaro's
claims. But it hasn't been. Those anti-Muslim
claims were *entirely* gratuitous, and highly
offensive to about a billion people. Who increasingly are internet-savvy.
If this list permits those posts, and if they are
left in the archive without answer, they will
impugn the list. The whole list will be judged by the lack of response.
Jojo many times has promised to stop if others
stopped. He lied. He's brought these materials
back in the total absence of response to his
earlier posts. He was allowed to have the last
word, and that was not enough, because he's
really looking for something other than what he says.
And that's obvious, to anyone who has actually
followed his posting here. Just looking at the
latest thread, say, you can easily come up with
"a pox on both your houses." I get that.
However, until the list owner makes some
decision, or delegates it to someone or some
process, it might continue. Hence my
recommendation: ignore whatever does not interest
you. I will continue to make sure that any posts
that are clearly off-topic have [OT] in the
subject header. I will continue to have subject
headers indicate that the debate or discussion is
the kind of material that some object to.
But I don't intend to stop unless the drumbeat
from the troll stops. I've done this before, by
the way, on Wikimedia Foundation web sites. I've
been effective. Some people didn't like it, but
it did get the attention of those with superuser
powers, and they handled the situation, whereas
other administrators had been asleep. I was, in
fact, enforcing policy, with the tools available to me.
And I did not care about personal consequences.
I'm not that important. Should I be banned here
-- I don't think that's likely, but it's also not
impossible -- there are plenty of people who
would forward a post from me to this list, if I
ever need to post here in the future. To an
extent, this list is a distraction from my work
elsewhere, particularly the CMNS list, and my actual research.
I could write more about being banned, because I
was ultimately banned on Wikipedia, but actually
I'd rather not. It's not something I'd encourage
everyone to do. Yet I accomplished exactly what I
set out to do, and discovered exactly what I needed to know. Story of my life.
From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 9:46 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age
Guys, I would very much prefer it if this thread
were to be terminated. It is apparent that
there will never be agreement between the
parties involved in the dispute and highly
unlikely that one or the other will modify his
beliefs. Why not just shake hands
(electronically of course) and change the
subject to LENR or something else more interesting.
I suspect that I am not the only one with this opinion.
Dave
