Leaking, I thought that was your real name! :-) Some sort of foreign name thing.
Dave -----Original Message----- From: leaking pen <itsat...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 9, 2013 11:58 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:PLEASE READ, two new rules I'll be completely honest. My insults back at JoJo were intentional, and horrible behavior. I shouldn't have done it. Also, Bill, I'm trying to sign up on the list on an email that contains my name, and I'm not getting a response. Is signup still turned off? On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:02 AM, William Beaty <bi...@eskimo.com> wrote: On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, Vorl Bek wrote: Good rule. But to be clear, I don't think the insulters are necessarily trolls, which are defined, as I understand it, as people who are insincere and post to get a rise out of others. I'm an internet troll myself, and I recognize one of my own. I've never met any incincere, intentional trolls, but I've encountered numbers of my own type online, plus the occasional one on vortex. The problem is easy to see from inside. We trolls live in a reality-warp, a dishonest world, we're buried in major psychological projection and hypocrisy. We refuse to take the tinyest responsibility for our actions, or to ever view them in a bad light. Any problems which "inexplicably" arise are always, always, someone elses' fault, and we're expert at convincing others that this is true. Most of us keep up a conversation where we apply derogatory labels to those around us, with glowing descriptions of ourselves. Hence we're usually delivering obvious insults to others, while labeling our own rotten behavior as pure and justifed deeds. Me, I suspect that most of us got this way from physical/emotional abuse as children. But I've only heard about this from a very few. For excessive details on this type of troll or "flamer personality," See: Flamer Personality Disorder http://amasci.com/weird/flamer MS Peck, "The People of the Lie" http://www.amazon.com/People-Lie-Hope-Healing-Human/dp/0684848597 The people who took part in the recent rubbish-fest were all sincere as far as I could tell, and I think they recognized that the insults directed at them were sincerely meant. If both sides *label* their oppenent's insults as grevious disgusting slanders, while *labeling* their own insults as justified responses or "I'm just telling you truths about yourself" ...then you're dealing with trolls. The constant dishonest labeling is the symptom. The hypocricy is the symptom, e.g. my own misbehavior is pure and justifed and beyond reproach, while your *identical* misbehavior is completely disgusting and requires prompt retribution. (But outsiders see things differently. Well, they do if they can avoid being drawn into the troll's campaign of distortion. Attempting to see things from the troll's viewpoint can be a big mistake.) (((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818 unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
