On Feb 9, 2013, at 3:58 AM, Rob Dingemans wrote:
Hi,
On 9-2-2013 1:19, Edmund Storms wrote:
On Feb 8, 2013, at 4:42 PM, Rob Dingemans wrote:
I disagree, I think Andrea already did prove his claims. The
problem is only that almost nobody seems to understand what is
going on.
So Rob, you think Andre has proven his claims in many minds. You
say that you believe him, but I do not get the impression that this
is the general opinion. In my case, I think he has shown that he
can make excess energy on occasion, but that does not seem to be a
general opinion.
Ed, I see what you mean and I agree with your impression; I should
have said that almost nobody believes Andrea, because most people
don't seem to understand what is going on.
In my opinion is what Andrea has discovered "to good to be true" and
therefore most people won't accept Andrea's findings, even when it
bites them in their noses.
However, I have seen there are sometimes those little "gems" that
are indeed "to good to be true" and I think this is one of those.
I agree Rob, and Piantelli showed that the phenomenon is real. Rossi
only showed that it worked better using powder.
The issue here is not what causes the reaction, but whether the
claims for a commercial product are justified. The Miley claim,
which started this discussion, is based on a commercial generator
of heat. The question was whether anyone should believe and
support this claim.
I still think that what causes the reaction is an important factor
that is overlooked by almost everybody.
I agree, but that is not what Miley is showing. He is claiming a
working generator. If this idea is based on pure PR or it fails, your
vote will look foolish. I think we agree, knowing how and whether the
fusion process works should proceed claiming a working generator.
Miley has not done this. He has a theory that makes no sense and
claims for heat production that have not been replicated or checked by
anyone. Are we seeing another Rossi in the making?
And yes, I agree we should support Miley's claim; that's why I also
voted for his claim.
And yes, I think we need this type of commercial generator.
It's sad that Andrea is not pushing his systems and knowledge of how
the system is build-up more to the people.
I think that if he isn't going to do this soon, someone else might
beat him; and that's what he is afraid of, because he or someone
else wants to see some money.
I think Andrea could better sell his knowledge for a small fee to
the people, which I think may result in higher revenues in the long
run than his current scenario.
Could it be that Andrea has advisers who are not open enough for
this "knowledge" scenario and advise him to go for the "large
bucks", while he himself is in a "zweispalt" about this???
As the heat itself results in energy and a high frequency and
therefore keeps the process self-sustaining as long as sufficient
source-material is available.
It would probably be much better for the ITER project to focus on
the frequency of the plasma instead of the temperature.
How do you propose the frequency be measured? It's the temperature
that produces a useful result, so why ignore it?
Yes, the temperature is needed to heat up for example water or
generate electricity, but in my opinion it is not the driving force
for the mechanism.
Therefore people at the ITER project should focus more on the
frequency of the plasma i.s.o. of gaining a high temperature as in
the Sun.
But how is this frequency measured or even affected?
Regards,
Ed
And on the current large scale, it seems to me this process is not
self-sustaining, as you can not keep it sufficiently under control
during a longer period.
I.s.o. of building a large system I think they should downsize the
system so they can control the process much better.
As sometimes is said "less is more".
This is also in my opinion the reason why Andrea's reactor vessels
seem to work.
Kind regards,
Rob
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