Stewart, I read the article carefully and it does not go into enough detail for anyone to determine how much energy is involved in the Bosenova release. There is no mention of any radiation effects either. I suspect that what they are speaking of is far too small of an energy release to be of much importance for LENR.
Dave -----Original Message----- From: David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Sun, Feb 10, 2013 10:50 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature That is interesting. I recall hearing about that once, but I guess I assumed it was not real. Dave -----Original Message----- From: ChemE Stewart <cheme...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Sun, Feb 10, 2013 10:34 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature Also remember that a BEC under magnetic field alignment has been known to collapse/explode into a "Bosenova" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosenova Stewart On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote: It is an interesting questionas to what percentage of the yield of “Mike” – if any - was due to BECformation within the large flask of liquid deuterium. For some reason, thispossibility never occurred to me before now - but it seems possible if not likely. Indeed, the extra yield fromBECs could have been substantial. BTW – the statement that Maxwelliandistribution prohibits room temperature BECs is probably false in a timedenominated progression where only a small percentage is necessary for fusion.It’s all statistics. But the skeptics mis-framed the argument. If BECs can form at all atroom temperature - then at least for a useable portion of the population of deuterons,there should be transitory condensates of a few tens of molecules formingrapidly enough at room temperature for fusion - since the time required forfusion is extremely short. Even if only 10 deuterons in 10 billion condense togetherat any picosecond, the statistics could be such that there should always be auseable population to fuse. This is above my paygrade, but I doubt seriously that MB distributions are prohibitory - IF the BECwill form at all at ambient. The logical error of skeptics here is the “all ornothing” error. Don’t forget that D nuclei inside a palladium lattice at full loading and 300 K are closertogether than when in the deuterons are in liquid form. From:David Roberson Low temperatures initially? Too bad it did not remain thatway. Actually, I was seeking evidence of a low energy reaction. You did bring up an interesting point however. How would you expectthe BECs to influence the overall reaction in this particular case? Couldthey have caused the yield to exceed expectations? Would that also tendto generate nasty radioactive elements that do not normally occur in other designs? We may be on to something that needs to be explored. I am attempting to get a handle on the equivalent pressure thatwould be required to force Ds to be in the proximity that they find themselveswithin if they share a hole within a metal matrix. This must be enormouscompared to the density they exhibit at room temperature. Add thiselevated pressure and laser cooling, or other methods that reduce the relativemotion between them and something interesting might result. Then, of course there are random variations in the energy of Dsthat naturally occur. It makes me wonder if being trapped in a tinycavity would tend to allow instantaneous cooling to occur under the rightcircumstances. Dave -----OriginalMessage----- From: Jones Beene This is why I ask whether or not fusion has been proven to occur withvery low temperature deuterons. I am not aware that anyone makes thatclaim and it would add support to the other theory if proven. Yes – an early hydrogen bomb called “Mike” put millions of tons ofradioactivity into the air in the fifties, creating untold numbers of healthproblems today - but that is probably not the answer you are looking for.Although the yield was surprising – so perhaps BECs were involved, come tothink of it. BTW – “Mike” used liquid deuterium in a large thermos as the mainfuel - with a small fission trigger. No tritium was needed. The output was over10 megatons of TNT – and that exceeded all of the explosives used in WW II,including the small fission bombs dropped on Japan - which were similar toMike’s trigger. About 95% of Mike’s energy came from the fusion of liquiddeuterium at very low temperature - initially J Cough, cough…
