On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com>wrote:

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> On Feb 10, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:
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> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com>wrote:
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>> Storms: NO!!! That is not the issue Cold fusion produces He4 without
>> radiation.
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> KevinO:***There have been some observances of radiation.  Not very much,
> but some.
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> Storms:Yes, I know but that is not the point.
> ***Then why did you make the point?  Your claim was "Cold fusion produces
> He4 without radiation."  My analogy fits the observance well, in terms of a
> little bit of emitted energy (balloon pops) getting out of the lattice --
> not very much but some.  There is some radiation, but most of it gets
> absorbed by the lattice.  What point are you trying to make?
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> I think you can make a better analogy by comparing exploding and burning.
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> ***My analogy was aimed at showing that it's fusion that's taking place,
whether hot or cold, and that claiming there is "no" radiation didn't fit
the facts.  You even say "yes I know but that is not the point".


> Hot fusion is an explosion of the nucleus as a result of pet up nuclear
> energy. Cold fusion is a burning reaction that allows the energy to leak
> out slowly even though the same reaction products are produced. Both can
> occur in a lattice, but cold fusion REQUIRES the lattice while hot fusion
> does not.
> ***Your analogy does not make sense. To say that cold fusion is a burning
> reaction while hot fusion isn't would require us to fill the balloons with
> 2 different flammable gasses.  But any balloons in a lattice would burn/pop
> when placed next to another burning balloon, suggesting a self-sustained
> nuclear chain reaction such as fission.  That isn't what takes place in
> cold fusion cells.
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> Both hot and cold fusions are a result of pent up nuclear energy.  Both
> are explosions.  But they are on completely different scales.  That's why I
> said there's only one balloon pop in cold fusion and 50,000 balloon pops in
> hot fusion.  There's no corresponding 50,000 balloon pop in cold fusion --
> I'm not aware of any LENR/Cold fusion cell that has undergone a HUGE
> nuclear reaction resulting in lethal levels of gamma rays, neutrons, or
> whatever radiation.  I doubt that it can happen.  To say that cold fusion
> requires the lattice while hot fusion does not is ignoring the analogical
> fact that 50,000 balloons are being popped at once in the hot fusion
> balloon example -- there's no way to do that in a lattice as far as I can
> see.   And if there was a way, there would be the corresponding lethal
> levels of radiation.  And conversely, there's no way to get just one
> balloon to pop in the hot-fusion example.
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