Well, it is the 2nd time you give this warning about the rule. Will ban or not Joshua Cude, since he seems the only one to not follow the rule?
2013/5/16 William Beaty <bi...@eskimo.com> > On Sun, 12 May 2013, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > > We need to know where to draw the line. Which facts do we consider so >> obvious that when someone denies them, they're a debunker rather than small >> 's' skeptic. >> > > Nah, because we become "debunkers" only if we start logging onto forums in > order to crusade against the sad muddled beliefs of their users. For > example, I don't subscribe to crazy Phrenologist belief systems, or even > UFO stuff. Does that make me a Debunker? Nooo, I just disbelieve, yet I > have zero interest in those topics. And if a pro-N-rays thread takes off > here, that's no prob, even though I'm a complete Disbeliever. > > Again, everyone please read: > http://amasci.com/weird/vmore.**html<http://amasci.com/weird/vmore.html>, > it's basically the Rule II details. > > > "Small-s" is just normal scientific critical analysis, while "large-S" > refers to the Skeptic Activists, to crusaders, to people who go out > searching for inferior deluded minds to set right. Large-S is the > self-described 'Skeptics' who've made up their own minds 100%, and who now > are selecting evidence in order to preserve this decision. > > (A side issue would be folks like Leroy Ellenberger, a former TB follower > of Velikovski who became an over-the-top sneering critic. Heh, any pro-CF > people getting disillusioned, and want to launch a debunking crusade?) > > > So, is it OK for debunkers to come here and debate, as long as they stay > polite? Debunkery without sneering? Nope. It's still DEBUNKING, attack > by a convinced disbeliever, and is a useless and endless battle. It is not > a debate unless both sides are able to put themselves in the other guy's > shoes, or at least to shift their views according to evidence. > > As I said, "Debunkers" are our police force, and it's easier to convince a > cop that burglary is OK, than to convince a debunker that CF isn't pure > garbage needing to be stamped out. We can mount all sorts of pro-burglary > arguments to send to the police. They won't even read them, unless it's to > find more stupidity to dissect. But that means they're SELECTING DATA, > ignoring anything that might harm their confident stance in their own > rightness!!! Yes, of course. Debunkers and police are supposed to be the > opposite of scientists: they won't give one thought to criticizing their > own position, especially when they're hip deep in bad guys; bad guys who > are trying to shatter their confidence and convert them into criminals, or > at least turn them into self-questioning wimpy fence-sitters. > > So, if one wants to be entirely safe on vortex-L, then before deciding to > launch a solid and well-investigated criticims of the flaws of CF, you > really need to be a long-time CF believer. Or at least be very obviously > undecided and open-minded about it. Staunch disbelievers who actively > launch criticism, that's what Debunkers are, and that's who vortex-L is > designed to exclude. > > > PS > > All this is modeled on many other real life wack-o alt-science > communities, communities where one segment may despise some of the beliefs > of another. The UFO people rubbing shoulders with astrologers. They all > get along by the simple trick of refusing to criticize the "contemptible > incorrect beliefs" of fellow community members. If they want to debunk > someone's dangerous craziness, they go well outside the community to do it. > > Ah, here's another aspect. Does someone say to you, "I totally disagree > with what you're staying, but I'll defend to the death your right to say > it?" Yes? Then they're probably no Debunker. In my experience, debunkers > want their targets silenced. Their core attitude might or might not be > hidden, but it involves disrespect, even disgust. (I.e. our police force > is contemptuous of the Perps, and hopes to see the bad guys removed from > society, not given a soapbox.) > > > > (((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))) > William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website > billb at amasci com http://amasci.com > EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair > Seattle, WA 206-762-3818 unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci > > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
