Dear Peter, I agree with you that all the parties developing products need time to enhance their performance. You asked for my opinion so I gave you my best guess of the current situation. There is little doubt that my crystal ball can use polish. No one can know what will eventually arise to capture most of the future market, but everyone can guess.
It is in the best interest of the industry for competition to become vigorous and that looks like what is ahead in this field. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Peter Gluck <peter.gl...@gmail.com> To: VORTEX <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:41 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Dear Dave, Let the facts speak, I think we cannot compare and or judge such new technologies when we (you and I) have so lmited information about those technologies. Let's Rossi and DGT develop their generators. In my terminology both are on the way from enhanced excess heat to a controlled commercial energy source- and it is not an easy way. They use different approaches and let's the faster and better one arrive first but the energy market is insatiable. I am using speculation with extreme care On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 6:21 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: Peter, You have done an excellent job of listing the main issues that will need attention. At this point we do not have sufficient information about the actual processes occurring and a good theory of how the energy is released. Until that occurs it will take a lot of empirical testing which seems to be what the two camps are doing. It would appear that DGT has a process that is fuel starved for control much like an ICE which has been considered an analogy in recent posts. This technique may well result in a large COP which has advantages. I have to wonder whether or not damage is done to the active materials by the discharges. If this happens then life of service may be limited. Also, I suspect that the generation of the high voltages used for the process pose other problems as well. The basic design of Rossi's ECAT appears to be simple in structure which offers other advantages. The manufacturing cost should be low in his case, at least for the configuration that we have seen. My biggest concern is the limitation of COP and the difficulty of maintaining control. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Peter Gluck <peter.gl...@gmail.com> To: VORTEX <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:35 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion OK, David I have the impression you are an experienced man, what else can be done than testing the duration, solve the material problems, and improve the system? And this was done and will be continued in the professional way. Est modus in rebus. Peter On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 4:15 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: It has been apparent to me for a long time that DGT uses a different method for generation of heat than does Rossi. Both techniques appear to work. The main question is whether or not one of the processes has a significantly long life span before internal damage makes it require maintenance. Of course the cost of manufacturing is important as well. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Vorl Bek <vorl....@antichef.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:28 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion On Sat, 1 Jun 2013 06:52:44 -0400 Ron Kita <chiralex.k...@gmail.com> wrote: > Greeting Vortex-L > > Boring.... > http://www.lenrnews.eu/ Are you kidding? This blows Rossi out of the water. [quote] The good-news claim is that DGT can control their multi-stage dynamic process. We observed their fifth-generation apparatus being ramped up in minutes instead of taking hours or days to reach levels of heat output several times higher than equivalent energy input of electricity....All that's needed to stop the reactor from producing excess heat energy is to switch off those currents that create plasma. [/quote] No crazy "apply more heat to make it stop" nonsense. This sounds like the real deal. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com