I was just using a freq. spectrum an. at the time. It just put the freq. in bins. or gave a FFT of the signal. I seem to recall that it had a 1/2 width of about 10 MHz You might ask Letts. I think he spent some time looking at such things. D2 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis? From: dlrober...@aol.com Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 17:06:58 -0400
Do you recall how large the signal was that you saw at the RF frequencies? And, any idea of how tight the frequency emission band was? Too bad the system did not respond well to outside RF drive. Of course, the drive requirement might be too tight to achieve with your equipment. If the magnetic field being generated by the DGT device is anywhere near as large as they suggest then we have a some supers clues to follow. My first inclination is to assume some form of superconductivity interacts with the heat generation. Does anyone have information supporting the large magnetic field generation? Also, does this field vary strongly with time, or remain relatively stable? Dave -----Original Message----- From: DJ Cravens <djcrav...@hotmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 26, 2013 4:57 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis? yes, we tried to put in freqs into the electrolytic cells at the frequencies they were "transmitting". No real effect. You might want to look up Letts' application of RF at around 82Mhz which was calculated based on the nuclear flip of a D nebulous due to the B field of an orbiting e. I think that use done ca 92-94 ?? with Bockris. Someone may want to calculate that for Ni. D2 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis? From: dlrober...@aol.com Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 16:46:04 -0400 Interesting that you pulse some of them at 400 Hz. That might explain the occurrence of that frequency, but the MHz ones must be a different process. Bubbles seem to be a little slower acting, but who knows? I could imagine some form of reinforcement at RF frequencies which leads to a significant level of signal. Any time positive feedback is in effect, most anything can rise from the noise. Dave -----Original Message----- From: DJ Cravens <djcrav...@hotmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 26, 2013 4:05 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis? My HV based systems are normally pulsed in the range of 0.1 to 400 Hz. But even the old electrolysis system would give MHz signals. (bubbles????) D2 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis? From: dlrober...@aol.com Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:59:20 -0400 Dennis, do your experiments generally have pulses of currents hitting the active material? It might be that the metal wires are given impulse like kicks that cause them to ring at their resonant frequencies. Dave -----Original Message----- From: DJ Cravens <djcrav...@hotmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 26, 2013 1:09 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis? I did not notice external coils. My "cells" often "sing" at a few hundred hertz (around 400) and at tens of MHz. I was never sure if it was the reaction itself or just ringing of the components. Letts's empirical model has the reaction rates proceeding via the Lamor frequency rates at the vacancies. That frequency depends on the B field of the reactive volumes. It has the reaction rate at roughly linear with B. I personally have Sm2Co17 powder in my system to increase the B field in the reactive volume. Some here may remember the ICCF 4 (Maui) demo in the parking lot where they were using Sm Co materials. Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:54:29 -0300 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis? From: danieldi...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Because of the above limitations of passive shielding, an alternative used with static or low-frequency fields is active shielding; using a field created by electromagnets to cancel out the ambient field within a volume.[7] Solenoids and Helmholtz coils are types of coils that can be used for this purpose. We saw a solenoid around the reactor, didn't we? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_shielding 2013/7/26 DJ Cravens <djcrav...@hotmail.com> the magnetic field from a dipole falls of as the inverse cube of the distance. .... it falls off quickly. I am not sure what it would be outside a mu metal shielded device, but I would expect not much would be available for "tools across the room". Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:45:17 -0300 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis? From: danieldi...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Also, this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet_toys 2013/7/26 Daniel Rocha <danieldi...@gmail.com> It is a strong field. But it falls fast, specially if the magnetized object is tiny: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet 2013/7/26 Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> That kind of field at 20 cm from the device (their claim) would be pulling tools from across the room. Jones -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
