All that thread seems based on misconception, misunderstanding, as it is often when reasonable people argue for long and cannot reconcile their position...
First of all I disagree with you position of "belief", I'm french, not american, so it is a bit cultural... I suspect that you trust , like I'm convinced, based on rational intuition . My experience in corporate life and science controversies, is that intuition is often better than rationalization when the problem is complex. rationalization often is the best way to forget half of the equation, especially the humans/social/political factors. That is also how nay-believers works to build their delusion... left-brain anosognosia and unilateral negligence. First from my research about that tragedy, it became clear that the scientific method is a myth, If you follow the ideas of Nassim Nicholas Taleb, of Thomas Kuhn, of Norbert Alter, and that thesis http://fr.slideshare.net/hervelegenvre/thesis-history-of-inventors?from_search=4 (french english) you see that innovation does not work a rational way, and not according to the official way. Human factor is dominant, and theory have to be ignored. I agree with Jed that DGT bring no scientific evidence against fraud. anyway when you see how science treated the strong scientific evidence before you can dump that concept in the toilet of history. no less, and without any pity, like a broken appliance that cannot be repaired. there is no hope, no excuse.We have given too many chance to that myth. The way Defkalion behave annoyed me, but unless Jed i'm not surprised. DGT was under siege by skeptics, probably by authorities, by partners, by big organizations doing test. When corp panic, they get silent. DGT anyway was surprisingly transparent, compared to what my corp experience see usually, but with a delay... they admitted endurance problems, told their version of stremmenos/rossi story, described their technology. When I say I'm confident about Defkalion, it is not that I'm sure of all they say. First reason is that they can make mistake, but I expect that they have checked many time before talking... so if they made errors, it is a persistent artifact, not an online-science artifact (no critic, rules are different with online-science, 1=0 as says peter)... Among their extraordinary claims, like Ni isotopes, and magnetic fields, I don't see the rationality in throwing red-herring... this is hugely dangerous, and bring no advantage compared to classic red-herring (we have small result, we have huge result...)... Error are improbable since it can be easily tested (you can buy Ni isotopes, and magnetic probes are common). I suspect rather that like Rossi, they understate they performance, and/or their problems... Hyperion seems to have a potential of COP>100, and the modest COP of US test seemed designed to show less that the maximum. They have admitted some endurance problems, claimed it is solved, but since their test are short I cannot rule out there are still endurance/leaking problems, for sparc plug, for the fuel, the bottle, the reactor... Jed is right isn saying that they might have an impolite strategy of communication... sending hope, getting silent, avoiding definitive evidences... All seems incoherent and it is probably so. This is typical of a, executive board which is under influence of power battle and environment constraints (partners, clients, authorities, who impose their will)... About some claims that concern external parties (greek government, companies, testers), you can suspect that NDA agreements (where Defkalion is the victim, because smaller), and assymetry of power (without NDA, a big corp can menace a company to death uless it's will is repected)... Another problem is that some claims are chatting claims, and more the symptom of enthusisat and uncontrolled communicatioon... in in that cas when the executive board moan agains such leaks, they simply asl for silence. The only coherent hypothesis I've heard here is that they are preparing a complex D-Day debarkation plan, to avoid a big communication mistake like F&P tragedy, leasding to a fast closing of the story with decades to escape from the public ban. Not sure it is so rational, but i would advice to Defkalion to consider that scenario, and prepare a serious debarkation plan, not an incoherent serie of action consequence of external influence, and internal battles... finally, as you can read, unlike many people, unlike the scientific method rules, I don't talk of scientific evidences... Best way to be fooled as experience shows. The rule of the game is corporate rule, it is psychiatry, it is market, it is politics, it is business... so to summarize my position... I rule-out fraud. I suspect some undersetimation of performance, and to a lesser way underestimation of industrialization problems. Scientific errors are still possible, but improbable. Red-herring are hard to believes... Their messy communication is probably caused by battle of power with partners, and internally... They might also carefully prepare a coherent communication debarkation, but I'm not so optimistic and rather think it is simply incoherence due to battle of power. As usual as a business it is a risky adventure. Many companies with areal technology get bankrupt. 2013/8/3 Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> > I am sure that if your advice is the best policy for them, they will take > your advice. > > > On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 3:09 AM, blaze spinnaker > <blazespinna...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Hey, I like Sci Fi. Why do you think that's making fun of them? >> >> My point is, if they're real and 'Noble', they'd patent their work and >> disclose it. They'd still be very right. >> >> The fact is, they didn't invest zillions of dollars here doing R&D. Nor >> was it exactly John Hadjichristo's life's work. They could go to market >> with what they have (if they have anything) and still get rich. >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> You implore a company to give their product away and in the next breath, >>> you make fun of them. That is not a effective way to advance your request. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 2:23 AM, blaze spinnaker < >>> blazespinna...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I will say one thing about John though, he writes Sci Fi. That's cool >>>> and I could see the possibility that he's secretly been thinking about all >>>> of this in his spare time. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:16 PM, blaze spinnaker < >>>> blazespinna...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "More than 768 million people are currently without access >>>>> to<http://www.unicefusa.org/work/water/> safe, >>>>> clean, drinking water, and 2.5 billion people live without proper >>>>> sanitation. This kills nearly 4,000 children each day, according to >>>>> UNICEF." >>>>> >>>>> Something which can generate cheap, excess thermal energy could be an >>>>> incredible bonanza for desalination. >>>>> >>>>> If Rossi or Defkalion have any sort of knowledge about this, they >>>>> should patent their process, and disclose it to the world. >>>>> >>>>> They should then go public, they'd make millions from their equity >>>>> alone. They'd all be rich beyond their wildest dreams. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Where does this thinking come from. Surely it must be your >>>>>> imagination or is it a gambit to lay some more disrespect onto John H and >>>>>> Defkalion. You know nothing about the issues you misrepresent. So there >>>>>> must be some nefarious motive festering behind your words. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Your words betray your own values and tendencies so keep them close >>>>>> and quite to advance your best interests. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:43 AM, blaze spinnaker < >>>>>> blazespinna...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Millions of people are dying every year because of poor access to >>>>>>> clean water. Tech like this could change everything, but Defkalion is >>>>>>> playing games because they want to make a few more $$$ and not just try >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> patent the thing and make money from that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You call that Noble? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To some men, their word is their bond. Honor is all. There was a >>>>>>>> time not long ago that when a man’s word was questioned, he would >>>>>>>> invite >>>>>>>> the offender into the street and put a bullet in his brain for the >>>>>>>> sake of >>>>>>>> his honor. When you question a man’s honor, you question his code of >>>>>>>> conduct, his ethics, his values, and his worth as a person. Think >>>>>>>> carefully upon calling a good and noble man a liar. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I know that it is absolutely true because John Hadjichristos has >>>>>>>>> stated it in public and without reservation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Eric Walker < >>>>>>>>> eric.wal...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There is a pernicious tendency on the forums to ignore or even >>>>>>>>>>> replace facts that are inconvenient to the interests of the poster. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically and unfortunately here, the 1.6 T magnetic field. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you. Now to the next question -- how do you know this is a >>>>>>>>>> fact? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Eric >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
