On second thought, I am not so sure about the "linear example". I will need to see it illustrated to be sure.
harry On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 2:14 AM, H Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote: > The "linear example" you describe below. > > Harry > > > > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 2:09 AM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I very much appreciate your saying so Harry! >> >> You give me faith in humans! >> >> Which SR experiment are you saying I should illustrate? >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 3:27 PM, H Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> That is clearer. The thought experiment designed to test GR looks like >>> solid paradox to me. So does the thought experiment designed to test SR. >>> You should illustrate that as well. >>> harry >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 10:20 PM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Here you go: http://imageshack.com/a/img198/4812/j2s2.png >>>> >>>> BTW if acceleration doesn't cause time dilation, even though it is a >>>> claim of General Relativity that acceleration does this. >>>> Then the the second clock would not be time dilated by that means. >>>> >>>> But the argument would still stand since the path light takes would >>>> seem longer. >>>> The effect would be diminished. >>>> >>>> The effects of mutual time dilation SR style between the opposite sides >>>> of the rotating frame and all parts of the rotating frame with the lab >>>> frame make me choose to ignore that component for now, but any attempt to >>>> reconcile this experiment with SR time dilation will be a mess and utterly >>>> contradictory as everything should be effected equally and yet >>>> paradoxically. >>>> >>>> If that does not help, then the linear example is: >>>> Put sensors on opposite train windows, one clock in the train frame, >>>> one on the ground frame. >>>> Use an optical or brush contact method to send signals to the ground >>>> frame clock. >>>> Optionally add a set of earth frame sensors as close to the others >>>> making sure they both see the same light at the same time. >>>> Light is sent from the earth frame directly across taking the shortest >>>> route, but it looks indirect to the train. >>>> >>>> How can both measure C for the light? >>>> Or what if you replace it with an electron at near .999 C, what would >>>> be expected? >>>> >>>> Obviously assume a vacuum is present. >>>> >>>> Thanks for taking a look, >>>> John >>>> >>>> >>>>
