This is good advice, Lennart. But let me carry your analogy further. In this 
case, the beautiful girl has the reputation for being a slut. So, not only must 
she sell her beauty but also has to show she can be trusted. How is this done 
when the people who spread the false rumor are still at work?  In addition, 
most possible suitors have no ability to check the facts or even to understand 
how the rumor got started. The only way she gets chosen is for someone to take 
a chance, to ask the right questions, and to listen carefully to the answers 
because no one can be trusted to tell the truth.  What will likely happen is 
that she will inherit a fortune from China and her reputation will no longer 
matter.

Ed Storms
On Mar 10, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Lennart Thornros wrote:

> I should probably avoid comment in this tread as the discussion includes more 
> physics science than I even come close to understand. However, I have some 
> experience from funding new businesses. I think I can provide somewhat of 
> another viewpoint because of that.
> It goes for everything in life it has to be sold. If you want to kiss a 
> beautiful girl you have to sell your ability. Best if your good looks makes 
> her come investigating 'the goods' so you can get to show your ability and 
> just close the deal. This is true about any product or service. I have 
> limited experience of university grants but I think you guys have covered 
> that part rather well. My conclusion is that you are saying that politics 
> will be in the way regardless of the good reasons put forward and the LENR 
> community has no bait of political nature. (Big organization = bad dittos).
> Now to the controversial part. Why is it so hard to get capital from VC's 
> crowd funding etc. etc.? First of all the good looks are not there.  I think 
> it is because anyone with the resources looking in to this arena will find 
> more question marks and rivalry than a clear pathway to success. I understand 
> that some players in the market behaved less than good in the past. To 
> concentrate on their downside when they have received funding is to make any 
> new investor confused. It is like telling the girl that her previous lover 
> was a lousy lover and that the one who approached her yesterday was even 
> worse. True or untrue, how do you know? How did you get that knowledge? The 
> other ones have said the same about you so maybe she ought to visit another 
> neighborhood? Maybe this is a bad area?
> I hope Ed Storms book will help sort out where we are. I personally have no 
> investment capacity but I know investors need help to see, which 
> possibilities are there and a pathway to reach success. Any hope to raise 
> money will require :
> 1. A clear definition of the goal. (Nothing fluffy like a new era or 
> revolutionary - precise expectations with a realistic time table.)
> 2. A list of possible obstacles. 
> 3. Possible solutions to overcome the obstacles.
> 4. A team able to handle the obstacles.
> 5. An organization able to control the team and communicate with the investor.
> My experience is that most people will agree to three of the well known 
> conditions and then say that the other two are not important. What was your 
> first thought ? Honestly"
> Two more things: First, it certainly will not be an advantage to criticize 
> the competition rather the opposite. Second, no VC will come looking for the 
> opportunity.
> Finally I know I am sticking out my head in a field where I have no capacity 
> to debate the technology or its particular problems. They are unique at the 
> same time as they are soooo common. I understand that there is a big 
> difference if one wants to get the Noble price or successfully replace the 
> grid, I.E.. My suggestions will probably be of little help to get the Nobel 
> price. 
>   
> 
> Best Regards ,
> Lennart Thornros
> 
> www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com 
> lenn...@thornros.com
> +1 916 436 1899
> 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650
> 
> “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment 
> to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Mark--
>  
> I will.
>  
> Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MarkI-ZeroPoint
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 11:13 PM
> Subject: RE: Replications. Formerly [Vo]:LENR a gateway into the theory of 
> everything.
> 
> Bob, you need to watch The Matrix!
> 
> -mark
> 
>  
> 
> From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 11:09 PM
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: Replications. Formerly [Vo]:LENR a gateway into the theory of 
> everything.
> 
>  
> 
> Harry
> 
>  
> 
> So be it.
> 
>  
> 
> Bob
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: H Veeder
> 
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> 
> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 10:53 PM
> 
> Subject: Re: Replications. Formerly [Vo]:LENR a gateway into the theory of 
> everything.
> 
>  
> 
> Bob,
> Morpheus says to Neo in the movie The Matrix (1999):
> "This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the 
> blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you 
> want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show 
> you how deep the rabbit-hole goes."
> 
>  
> 
> Since you like red pills that means you are in wonderland. ;-)
> Harry
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:26 AM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Harry--
> 
>  
> 
> I do not know about the blue pill or the red pill--I'm showing my age.  
> However, given the choice between blue and red pills , I always choose the 
> red ones, since they are easier to see when I drop them on the floor  from my 
> pill box.  I typically don't eat blue things.
> 
>  
> 
> Bob
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: H Veeder
> 
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> 
> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 10:04 PM
> 
> Subject: Re: Replications. Formerly [Vo]:LENR a gateway into the theory of 
> everything.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 10:53 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> Bob stated:
> 
> “… we are again meeting in Alice's rabbit hole.”
> 
>  
> 
> Wrong movie Bob, think Matrices! 
> 
> The Blue pill or the Red pill?
> 
> ;-)
> 
>  
> 
> -Mark
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> One could argue it is the same movie, since The Matrix makes some references 
> to the White Rabbit and the rabbit hole ;-)
> 
>  
> 
> Neo's apartment:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IDT3MpSCKI
> 
>  
> 
> The red/blue pill scene:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9vGMMPM5Lg
> 
>  
> 
> Harry
> 
>  
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