*Robin van Spaandonk is right when he says that the amount of energy required to produce the oxygen to hydrogen separation is inconceivable in its magnitude. Because the amount of oxygen produced is substantial, the energy to break up that much oxygen into hydrogen would be in the hundreds of gigawatts of energy output, the energy production capacity of a few hundred nuclear reactors, or the energy produced by a good sized nuclear device.*
*This transmutation of oxygen into hydrogen is endothermic. Where is all that energy coming from? * On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 12:07 AM, <mix...@bigpond.com> wrote: > In reply to Axil Axil's message of Fri, 2 May 2014 16:28:20 -0400: > Hi, > [snip] > >On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> How much energy does it take to make TETA? Its an old radioactive > >> chelating agent and not cheap used in decontamination. However, it > >> production costs may have improved since the time we used it > >> > > > >US $20-22 / *Liter* *( FOB Price)* > >800 Liters *(Min. Order)* > > > >The economic flaw in this system is the cost of the consumables. > > I wonder if they have taken into account all possible sources of energy in > the > system? The temperatures available during cavitation would likely catalyze > any > chemical reaction that was energetically possible, and then there is the > energy > from ultrasound generators etc. as well. > I don't expect that the latter would contribute much, however the chemical > energy could be considerable. I would like to see a proper accounting, > especially given the claim that they can get 1 kg H2 from 1 kg H2O. That > claim > is most likely a simple mistake, but might be true if the Hydrogen is also > coming from other chemicals in the mix. > In order for it to be true for only water, they would have to be > converting all > the Oxygen into Hydrogen too, which apparently is what they believe is > happening. If so, then they are being extraordinarily wasteful. In order to > split Oxygen into Hydrogen you need to supply roughly the binding energy of > Oxygen which is about 127,000,000 eV. Having spent 127,000,000 eV > converting > Oxygen into Hydrogen, they then get back about 12 eV in chemical energy, > when > the Hydrogen is burnt using atmospheric oxygen, about 1 part in 10 million > of > the energy input. They might do better to find a means of tapping the > original > energy source more directly. ;) > > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk > > http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html > >
