The problem is that after the high energy gamma is created, it is not plausible that 100% of the quanta are downshifted - some will fail in this post-fusion downshifting and be released as high energy. Since 0% high energy quanta are seen experimentally, the high energy quanta must not get created during LENR. Storms has posited that most of the mass-energy must be removed in preparing the fusing atoms for fusion as part of the LENR process, such that there is no huge quanta to be released after fusion occurs. If the mass-energy is not removed, there is no LENR fusion. Thus, whenever LENR fusion occurs, there is no high energy quanta to be released in 100% of the cases. I think this is good logic.
Bob On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote: > What parameter is limiting the downshift exactly? Ahern has speculated > that ferromagnetic collective modes, first explored by Ulam, are at play in > LENR. These systems tend to amplify the vibratory modes of a system and > then tend to localize energy in a coherent fashion -- seemingly in > violation of the second law (i.e. an open system phenomenon). This seems > compatible with Hagelstein. If this sort of self-organizing collective mode > is at play in LENR, what's to limit the downshifting/sharing effect across > the system? > > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> >> wrote: >> >> Hagelstein has never been able to find a physical model for his >>> contention, >>> not even one which is remotely close - and it is amazing that he has not >>> thrown in the towel on a losing battle. It simply does not happen in the >>> real world. >>> >> >> I agree with you on this one, Jones. Even a year ago I was persuaded >> that there must be some kind of high-energy gamma downconversion at play >> (or, as was suggested, possibly some upconversion). But I don't find this >> a promising lead anymore. I find even less likely the possibility that the >> downconversion would be mediated by phonons (although I'm not exactly sure >> what Hagelstein's position is on this subject). >> >> Eric >> >> >
