While I'm not nearly as optimistic as you are, I hope you're correct. The mass-spec they promised in their past ICCF paper had me excited. I won't hold my breath though.
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: > DGT either has no more money or loads of money. I believe DGT is now well > funded. Yes as exceptional scientists and system engineers they have > developed a tool for transmutation analysis. And when DGT soon emerges from > the dark, they will take away Rossi's candy both theoretically and > commensally...so sad. > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Wasn't DGT going to do something like this before they imploded? >> >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> What I wanted to see in a TIP Ni/H transmutation experiment is a well >>> calibration real time second by second NMR element assay as the >>> transmutation proceeds. NMR resonance analysis is well-known in chemistry >>> research. This is possible to do when the associated analysis software is >>> written, calibrated, and debugged. Of course, such a research tool is >>> expensive. As a system engineering exercise. I would look to see if such a >>> tool has already been developed. >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Axil -- I don't think it's fair to keep pointing at Storms as the only >>>> one who discounts transmutation as the mechanism -- he's only >>>> the most vocal. There are many non-vocal, well-qualified people in the >>>> community who don't believe it either. It's the main reason so many people >>>> reject Widom-Larsen theory. So what if transmutation shows up in cold >>>> fusion systems? Interesting for sure, but it doesn't mean anything unless >>>> you can match/calculate intermediate/final products with excess heat, have >>>> completely controlled for contamination of multiple runs, and account for >>>> He-4 ash in PdD. You're just rehashing old Miley data that is interesting >>>> but does not prove anything (even though it could be significant once we >>>> find out more). Same goes for the most recent Nickel/Lithium sample taken >>>> from the E-Cat. Interesting, but doesn't tell us as much as we think it >>>> does without A) more replications, and/or B) a much bigger sample analysis >>>> with more discerning mass spec. >>>> >>>> *This transmutation theory developed by Miley and Hora leads me to the >>>> conclusion that in TIP3, there has been many transmutation results that >>>> were not found even if they were in fact occurring. In order to do good >>>> transmutation accounting, the testers must do detailed and perfect >>>> bookkeeping of what elements went into the reaction and account for ALL >>>> elements and isotopes that come out of the LENR reaction.* >>>> >>>> I agree, it's "possible", so let's keep encouraging better analysis and >>>> see where the chips fall. >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Regarding transmutation, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Even if Ed Storms discounts transmutation as an LENR energy production >>>>> mechanism, transmutation is the source of energy in LENR that has >>>>> showed up in experimental data since 2010 involving some generalized >>>>> isotopic and elemental changes encompassing some 40 or 50 elements in the >>>>> light and medium Z range since the Ni/H reactor data has been made >>>>> available. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This way of looking at past experimental transmutation data, there is >>>>> nothing special about helium, lithium or nickel as the singular source of >>>>> LENR energy. These elements are just one of a zoo of many possible >>>>> transmutation reactions based on the particular geometry of the reaction >>>>> process. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dr. G. Miley and his associate Dr Hora have come up with a theoretical >>>>> framework for transmutation that is based on the three quark nature of the >>>>> proton and neutron. This theory predicts that the transmuted elements that >>>>> we see in LENR will tend to follow the magic and double magic proton and >>>>> neutron count. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From Miley, we would expect to see magic number elements form as a >>>>> result of nuclear rearrangement when the coulomb barrier is disrupted >>>>> because they are the most stable nuclei configurations among the elements. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Z = 2(He), 8(O), 20(Ca), 28(Ni), 50(Sn), 82(Pb), >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> See >>>>> >>>>> *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_(physics) >>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_(physics)>* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In explanation, the nucleus seems to have seven magic numbers. An atom >>>>> with a magic number of protons or neutrons is super stable. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> When both the protons and neutrons are magic, that's a double magic >>>>> atom. There are only seven of them. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The seven magic numbers are 2, 8, 20, 28, 50, 82, and 126. (and maybe >>>>> 184) They are the number of nucleons - which can be either protons or >>>>> neutrons - you need to fill up the shells found in the atomic nucleus. The >>>>> completely filled shells cause the atomic nucleus to be more tightly bound >>>>> together than simple calculations would predict, meaning the magic atoms >>>>> are unusually stable. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So, if both the neutrons and protons happen to be magic numbers, the >>>>> atom is not only extra stable, but its nucleus is also rigidly >>>>> symmetrical, >>>>> which is very unusual and helps observers confirm the doubly magic >>>>> properties of the atom. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> These isotopes - which include helium-4 (2 protons and 2 neutrons, and >>>>> one of the most abundant isotopes in the universe), lead-208 (82 protons >>>>> and 126 neutrons, and the heaviest stable atom), and the pair of >>>>> calcium-48 >>>>> and nickel-48 (the former has 20 protons and 28 neutrons, while the latter >>>>> is vice versa). The latest to be discovered is tin-132, which has 50 >>>>> protons and 82 neutrons. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> These protons and neutrons form proton and neutron lattice layers as >>>>> follows >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The magic numbers are then >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> • 2 >>>>> >>>>> • 8=2+6 >>>>> >>>>> • 20=2+6+12 >>>>> >>>>> • 28=2+6+12+8 >>>>> >>>>> • 50=2+6+12+8+22 >>>>> >>>>> • 82=2+6+12+8+22+32 >>>>> >>>>> • 126=2+6+12+8+22+32+44 >>>>> >>>>> • 184=2+6+12+8+22+32+44+58 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Miley and Hora identified that nuclei undergoing a LENR reaction want >>>>> to stabilize at the highly stable double magic number configuration. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is because neutrons want to be paired with protons to form a >>>>> symmetrical nucleus with perfectly shaped lattice based shells. >>>>> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Elements with lots of unpaired neutrons like Th232 and U238 would make >>>>> for great LENR metals. These metals would stabilize at lead 208. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Some nuclides are double-magic, in that the number of protons and >>>>> neutrons are both magic, such as helium-4, oxygen-16, calcium-40, >>>>> calcium-48, nickel-48, and lead-208. These isotopes are particularly >>>>> stable >>>>> and this is where LENR wants to go. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hora who is Miley’s collaborator, makes a convincing case that the >>>>> nucleus conforms to a R (n) (n = 1, 2, 3…) of the Boltzmann probabilities, >>>>> namely R (n) = 3 to the nth power. This suggests a threefold property of >>>>> stable configurations at magic numbers in Nuclei, consistent with a quark >>>>> property. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Now, we can use this nuclear engineering background to predict what >>>>> the LENR ash content will look like when the nucleus is broken down into a >>>>> quark soup. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In LENR two concurrent processes are occurring simultaneously: fusion >>>>> and fission. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Fusion occurs when more than one nucleus is affected in the zone of >>>>> the reaction. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The relative strength of these two reactions will reflect the amount >>>>> of screening that the reactor can produce. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Elements built up by the fusion process will be subsequently >>>>> disassembled by a fission process. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But the chances are good that you can expect to see proton magic >>>>> number elements like helium, calcium, oxygen, nickel, tin and lead appear >>>>> in the LENR ash because they are proton magic number elements. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Also, you can expect to see Neutron magic number isotopes favored in >>>>> LENR. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Furthermore thing get more complicated, it is a well-known fact that >>>>> the lowering of the coulomb barrier in the nucleus can increase the >>>>> radiation levels of alpha emitters. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> When screening intensity is increased, it is reasonable to expect that >>>>> other light elements besides Helium(Z=2) will be expelled(aka fission) >>>>> from >>>>> the nucleus. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> These are Lithium(Z=3) , Beryllium(Z=4), and Boron(Z=5). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Also intermediate elements will form that result from the emissions of >>>>> these light elements like iron, chromium vanadium, titanium, and scandium. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sulfur(Z=16) will form from the beryllium(Z=4) emission from >>>>> calcium(Z=20). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The large amount of iron found in the ash products of the Ni/H >>>>> reaction point to alpha decay of nickel. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This transmutation theory developed by Miley and Hora leads me to the >>>>> conclusion that in TIP3, there has been many transmutation results that >>>>> were not found even if they were in fact occurring. In order to do good >>>>> transmutation accounting, the testers must do detailed and perfect >>>>> bookkeeping of what elements went into the reaction and account for ALL >>>>> elements and isotopes that come out of the LENR reaction. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
