If the created particles were mesons, these particles would decay into electrons and neutrinos. I suspect that an experiment can be prepared to detect those electrons. Also the mesons would effect the rate of nuclear decay of radioactive isotopes.
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 5:56 PM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Ok, just a thought... > > But if there are particles popping into (semi)existence for a moment... > If it were full existence their annihilation would not be so eventless. > > Then could these particles be effected by magnetic and electric fields? > Could they react as other materials do? > > Could they actually act as at least part of the electric and magnetic > field carrying capacity of the vacuum? (the permittivity and permeability > of free space). > > I am unsure what interesting implications come from this line of > reasoning, but I bet there are some. > > John > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> No one knows what is going on in the vacuum. If real particles are being >> produced by EMF in the vacuum, then the drive is not reactionless. >> >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 4:23 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> >> wrote: >> >>> That is the point Robin. In the case of a car you can find where all >>> of the original mass is located after the car accelerates to a new >>> velocity. It might not be easy, but it can be done. >>> >>> The reactionless drive spaceship can not find the lost mass that is >>> assumed to be converted into energy to generate thrust. A person onboard >>> the ship will only see that the mass of his ship is depleted since his >>> velocity is constant after the drive is cut off as far as he knows. Of >>> course he will feel the acceleration as the drive is powered, but he has no >>> way to determine his velocity relative to the universe before or after that >>> occurs. Velocity is relative to the observer. >>> >>> If we take this process to the extreme, lets assume that 90% of the mass >>> of the original ship is consumed by the energy required to operate the >>> reactionless drive. Once the drive is shut down the spaceman begins to >>> drift in space. As far as he can observe, he is sitting still in space and >>> has no kinetic energy. But where did all that original mass end up? It >>> just vanished, which makes no sense. >>> >>> With a normal ship that relies upon the conservation of momentum all of >>> the mass that has been ejected can be located. Whether in the form of >>> electromagnetic waves or raw mass that was ejected, the total will be the >>> same as before the drive is activated. This makes complete sense and is >>> what has been demonstrated so far in real life. >>> >>> In the first case mass has been lost without anything to show for its >>> existence. In the second one, nothing is missing and everything adds up as >>> expected. I find it very difficult to believe that both situations are >>> possible. >>> >>> How would you explain to the spaceman on the ship powered by a >>> reactionless drive where most of the mass of his ship is now located? Have >>> atoms of fuel actually disappeared? Even if some form of nuclear reaction >>> is used to power the drive he can not locate the energy generated by the >>> nuclear process. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mixent <mix...@bigpond.com> >>> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >>> Sent: Sun, Nov 23, 2014 3:26 pm >>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply. >>> >>> In reply to David Roberson's message of Fri, 21 Nov 2014 23:25:41 -0500: >>> Hi, >>> [snip] >>> >My consideration of reactionless drives is based upon the observation that >>> >the >>> mass of atoms, molecules, and all other forms of matter remain a constant >>> to the >>> local observer at least. I include the mass that can be attributed to >>> energy >>> which is either emitted by some action of the matter or absorbed in other >>> ways. >>> So far, every attempt that I have made to calculate or measure this >>> combination >>> yields the same result. As you know, the total mass-energy would have to >>> change >>> if the system were to be subject to a reactionless drive. >>> > >>> >>> It's just the same as a car on a road. You know that some of the energy in >>> the >>> fuel ends up as kinetic energy of the car, and this doesn't surprise you at >>> all. >>> Regards, >>> >>> Robin van Spaandonk >>> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html >>> >>> >> >
