Amilcar, Semana passada, quando nos encontramos com o Maneschy, havia saido naquele dia a notícia que a oposição venezuelana havia conseguido forçar um plebiscito, e o governo havia declarado nada temer. Eu brinquei dizendo que a Venezuela devia estar usando as urnas brasileiras. Não está, mas contratou máquinas tão desconfiáveis quanto. Só o uso de máquinas sem auditabilidade permitem esta tranqüilidade por parte de quem as comprou. Político que aceita e aprova o uso de máquinas deste tipo ou é louco ou tem participação na maracutaia.
Chadel A respeito de [VotoEletronico] Fwd: e agora, Venezuela, em 12/06/2004, 05:43, Amilcar Brunazo Filho escreveu: ABF> Olá, ABF> Vejam abaixo a notícia que saiu no NYTimes de 11/06 em: >>http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/11/international/americas/11vene.html ABF> sobre o uso das urnas-e no plebiscito para confirmação do presidente Chavez ABF> da Venezuela. ABF> O Governo resolveu usar urnas-e sem voto impresso e com software fechado ABF> (no mesmo estilo das brasileiras). A oposição está reclamando. ABF> Mas o que mais me chamou a atenção é o fato da OEA estar sendo sugerida ABF> pela oposição para monitorar as urnas-e. E os governistas repelem a oferta! ABF> A OEA tem sido responsável direta por levar a urna-e brasileira (sem voto ABF> conferido pelo eleitor e com parte do software fechado) para os demais ABF> países latino-americanos. ABF> Tem um "cheiro de incoerência" nesta história. ABF> Obs: no mesmo dia saiu uma outra reportagem no NYTimes sobre o falso dilema ABF> usabilidadeXsegurança das urnas-e. Como tenho trocado algumas mensagens com ABF> gente dos time dos "ergonômicos", vou comentar sobre isto daqui uns dias, ABF> quando voltar de viagem à Brasília. Esta outra reportagem está em: ABF> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/11/opinion/11FRI1.html?th ABF> Abraços, ABF> Amilcar ABF> -------------------------------------------------- >>http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/11/international/americas/11vene.html >>June 11, 2004 >> >>Venezuelan Recall Is in Dispute Even Before the Vote >> >>By JUAN FORERO and JOHN SCHWARTZ >> >>CARACAS, Venezuela, June 10 - Touch-screen voting machines, which have >>been plagued by security and reliability concerns in the United States, >>will be used in the recall vote on President Hugo Chávez, prompting his >>foes and foreign diplomats to contend that the left-leaning government may >>use the equipment to manipulate the vote. >> >>A new touch-screen system here, bought earlier this year by Mr. Chávez's >>government, uses voting machines made by the Smartmatic Corporation of >>Boca Raton, Fla., and software produced by a related company, the Bizta >>Corporation, also of Florida. Neither company has experience in an actual >>election. >> >>Furthermore, the Venezuelan government's electoral council said it would >>not permit observers to run a simultaneous audit of the electronic vote >>counting during the Aug. 15 recall, as electoral experts in the United >>States said is common practice. >> >>"What is the dark reason for not doing this?" said Enrique Mendoza, an >>opposition leader. "This is strange and not very transparent." >> >>In the United States, the touch-screen machines that have appeared in >>numerous states in recent years have had some technical glitches, and have >>been reviewed by security experts who found them lacking in safeguards >>against hackers. That has led critics to argue the systems are less secure >>than the mechanical ones they replaced. >> >>In April, California banned the use of 14,000 of the machines for this >>November's presidential elections, while the state of Ohio issued a report >>that said electronic voting machines from the four biggest companies in >>the field have serious security flaws. >> >>Earlier this week, the head of the United States Election Assistance >>Commission said that voting machine companies should make the inner >>workings of their software open to inspection by states that purchase it. >> >>One solution, electoral and computer experts say, is the use of manual >>audits of the receipts the machines produce for every vote cast. >> >>"That is the most normal thing in an electoral process, and that they >>would deny it is absurd," said a diplomat in Caracas who has closely >>monitored elections here and in other Latin countries. "What serious >>electoral board would not permit an observation, as is done everywhere?" >> >>That is what the opposition has asked for here after the National >>Electoral Council, the government's five-member electoral governing board, >>ruled on June 3 that Mr. Chávez's adversaries had collected enough >>signatures to hold a referendum. The council this week said the recall, >>which would succeed if the opposition collects nearly 3.8 million votes, >>would take place Aug. 15. >> >>Mr. Chávez's opponents have suggested that an independent observer like >>the Organization of American States or the Atlanta-based Carter Center, >>audit the signatures. >> >>But the electoral council has opposed an audit, saying that as an >>autonomous body it would tally the votes and ensure there is no fraud. >>Some pro-Chávez members of the council, in fact, have suggested that the >>O.A.S. does not need to monitor the election, or that its role should be >>restricted. >> >>Opposition leaders contend that three of the electoral council's five >>members are partisan to the president, an opinion echoed by diplomats in >>Caracas. >> >>Leaders of the Democratic Coordinator, an umbrella group of opposition >>groups, had initially pushed for a manual count. But now the opposition >>says it simply wants to carry out an audit of a sampling of the votes, >>perhaps on as few as 400 of the 12,000 machines that are to be used. >> >>"We are not asking that they do an electoral count on all the receipts," >>said Jesús Torrealba, an opposition leader. "What we're asking for is a >>statistical sampling." >> >>The government has raised a host of questions since announcing earlier >>this year that it was replacing voting machines made by a Spanish firm, >>Indra, with Smartmatic's equipment. The Miami Herald reported in May that >>the Venezuelan government had invested in Bizta, a new company that makes >>the software to be used in the machines. >> >>Efforts to obtain comment from the National Electoral Council and the >>Venezuelan Embassy in Washington were unsuccessful. Officials for >>Smartmatic and Bizta referred calls to a spokeswoman, who did not return >>two phone calls. >> >>Government officials have publicly said, however, there is no impropriety >>and played down the role of the government in Bizta's operations. Jorge >>Rodríguez, a council member who is considered a Chávez loyalist, accused >>critics of having "hidden interests." >> >>But experts said that without independent oversight, voting machines can >>be easily tampered with. >> >>Touch-screen voting machines bear similarities, but each company designs >>its machine in its own way, and the software varies widely from company to >>company. Still, experts note that a review for the state of Ohio of >>hardware and software used by the four largest vendors of touch-screen >>voting machines found serious security flaws. >> >>"A fully electronic computer can be programmed to produce whatever outcome >>the developers - or the people in charge of the developers - want it to," >>said Aviel D. Rubin, a professor of computer science at Johns Hopkins >>University. >> >>Mr. Rubin led a team last year that performed the first rigorous security >>analysis of software used in machines by Diebold Election Systems, an >>industry leader in the United States. "Anybody who was really concerned >>with a fair outcome would encourage as far an outside review of the >>machines as possible," he said. >> >>Glitches and tampering with voting machines has been seen before in Latin >>America, where there is a long history of stolen elections. >> >>The government of then-President Alberto K. Fujimori stole the 2000 >>Peruvian presidential election. Days before, the O.A.S. examined the >>software used in the machines and found technical problems that would >>permit manipulation. >> >>The Fujimori government, though, refused to make corrections, and the >>O.A.S. abandoned the country before the election. The government was later >>accused of fraud in the election. Mr. Fujimori resigned soon after. >> >>Mr. Rubin said it is crucial to ensure that the companies chosen to supply >>machines and software be experienced and have a proven track record, >>particularly in an election as important as Venezuela's. >> >>Juan Forero reported from Caracas for this article, and John Schwartz from >>New York. >> >><http://www.nytimes.com/ref/membercenter/help/copyright.html>Copyright >>2004 <http://www.nytco.com/>The New York Times Company ABF> ______________________________________________________________ ABF> O texto acima e' de inteira e exclusiva responsabilidade de seu ABF> autor, conforme identificado no campo "remetente", e nao ABF> representa necessariamente o ponto de vista do Forum do Voto-E ABF> O Forum do Voto-E visa debater a confibilidade dos sistemas ABF> eleitorais informatizados, em especial o brasileiro, e dos ABF> sistemas de assinatura digital e infraestrutura de chaves publicas. 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