On 29-Mar-00,* David C.*, of Planet Eros, wrote these Wise Words:
>> Yer kidding, right?
>
> No I'm not. Voyager and AWeb are constantly being upgraded, and it
> had been many a moon since IB2.1 was first seen.
BUT, on my machine, IBrowse works many times better
than the other two... except when AW got JS first.
> Really? Voyager looks great here.
And, you are using a stock, EGS machine as well?
Maybe on a 1200 or something with a graphics card, V
and AW look ok, but on my 3000, nothing that uses
datatypes look acceptable. IBrowse, as I have said
34,567 times here, beats the other two hands down.
>> well, it did until just this last update, then Voyager
>> took a big step forward... but still has horribly ugly
>> graphics. When I go to eBay, 80% of the time I cannot
>> tell what the images ARE, let alone enjoy them.
>
> This I cannot believe!!
Believe it. If I want to see what the graphic really
is with V or AW, I save it and view it with FastView...
which is the best viewer for an ECS machine.
I have used the Amiga since 1986, in various forms, and have
tried almost everything in them except for 040's, 060,
PPCs and graphics cards. I have tried every possible graphic
configuration, from dithering and whatnot, to even changing
the pallette to many great and ugly choices. I like the
particular pallette I use now... others may hate it, but I
have to live with the beast... and no matter what, most of
the colour choices that dithering and viewers give me is really
not very good... at least to my eye.
I do not know what chance there would be of you being able to
see the same screen as I if I took a screen grab of the same
site with V and IBrowse and sent them to you, but if you are
game, let me know and we can give that a whirl. Then, if you
could see what is on my screen you would not say you disbelieve
it.
>> AND, I have fiddled and changed settings until I am blue
>> in the face.... and done the same on AWeb... but their
>> choice to use datatypes leaves a hell of a lot to be
>> desired on a stock ECS machine!!!!
>
> Aaah. Don't know anything about ECS. I went directly from OCS to AGA
> when I first upgraded, and I use CV64/3D.. Go forth my son, and
> acquire a GFX card!!! Scoff at the minimum 800x600 sites :) To my
> understanding IB does dither better than AWeb or V�, but I don't
> dither:)
As I said, any idiot knows that! Just because you can
afford to do that, does not mean that I can. A graphics
card is way beyond my reach for quite a while yet. Not
all of us have unlimited funds... fact is, if someone
offered me a PIV for $100 tomorrow, I could not afford
it. Period!
>> Don't get me wrong, I like Voyager too, am not really
>> fond of AWeb, but do like how IBrowse looks and feels
>
> Actually, AWeb is the most capable browser of the three. It has
> functioning JS and the most configurable. Most AWeb problems are
> contained in people having the wrong settings.
You should see what the buttons look like on my system with
AWeb! I could not believe it!!! I am told that if I convert
them to .gif, they will look fine, but the time involved is
not encouraging... I have other things to do with my time.
However, I do agree that it is a capable browser... but I
do not really like its "feel" or layout.
> Too bad they have the
> absolute worst demo.
Maybe that is the problem.
> AWeb is the *only* web-browser that was
> designed from the ground up to be unique.
I have used various versions of it since it first came out.
I can recall the bitter words and things said about MUI and
why Yvon just "had" to make a better, faster browser.
Fact is, I like MUI, and do not find it as bad as many claim.
> Voyager has by far the
> slickest interface--bar none.
I cannot say that I feel that way.... I really like the
layout and look of IB...
> IB is a very reliable browser, but I
> just haven't seen any real upgrades in quite a while.
Like I said, upgrades to me do not indicate a "better"
browser. I found it very stable on my system... I think
I can count the crashes I got with it on one hand....
since I first got it years ago. Certainly no more than
10 times. Hell, Thor has crashed more often on me, and
that is basically bulletproof on most systems. : ))
> Also, IB is no
> longer on the "front page" of HiSoft's web-site.
And.... ?????????
>
>> compared to any of the others, including NS and IE5...
>> which we have now installed on our iMacs at school.
>
> in the words of my friends.. *quack*
???????????
Not sure what the quack is for....
I have no choice about the iMac... I do have to know
it, and do instruct people on the use of the MAC in
general... NOT by choice, as I said!!!!
>> To each his own... I am very, very sure others will
>> disagree with me. : ))))
> Nothing against IB, and no offense taken. But, V is still my
> favorite browser with AWeb a close second. Besides, the only thing
> that IB does that is really new.... I can't see in action from their
> demo.
You lost me on this one.....
> I believe I will buy IB2 at the St. Louis show :) We should all buy
> everything we can... there's not many of us left.
Part of the reason I buy BOTH is to make sure that BOTH
are still encouraged to program, and I believe that the
pride each has to be the best, is most often shaken when
there IS a viable alternative... that competative edge
is, in my way of thinking, a powerful prod to do better.
: )))
> I'm not saying to
> go hungry (bet someone *will* disagree with that!).
What, that there are not many of us left. One would have
to be an idiot to NOT know that. Still, they will have
to pry my dead fingers off this keyboard.... ;))))
> A4000 040/40 CV64-3D Canon BJC4100 HyperCom3+ Aceex56kmodem
> CheezySpeakers And a $20-thriftStore-Special-VGA-monitor
Damn! No wonder things look good for you. This is just
something I can dream about.... at least until I complete
all my university courses... that will be in three summers...
but, who is counting!? : )))
They sure can drag out some of these upgrading courses!!!
Gil
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gil Knutson's Pride and Joy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - OS3.5 - Sardis, BC, Canada
A3000/30/2+16 RAM + 240 meg Quantum + 1.06 gig Seagate + ZIP Drive
MFCardIII+GVC 56k Speakerphone+Lexmark 4039 10R w/16meg
THOR2.6, MUI3.8, MWB, Voyager3, AmIRC 2.0, AmFTP 1.65 (all reg)
~~~~~~~~~~~ The Amiga Shall Inherit the Earth ~~~~~~~~~~~~
I think that God in creating man somewhat overestimated his ability.
-- Oscar Wilde
____________________________________________________________
Voyager Mailing List - Info & Archive: http://www.vapor.com/
For Listserver Help: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "HELP"
To Unsubscribe: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "UNSUBSCRIBE"
