Hi Dave,

After spending a few minutes to work out that you were talking about a proposed 
patch and not something any of us had merged (and, especially not that I 
merged!), I see that what we need is a balance between not discouraging people 
to experiment, or submit their ideas, but to also steer people towards relevant 
leads before they get in too deep.

Problem is, if people make huge patches before ever talking to someone, our 
first contact is when they submit it. The teaching moment is when the reviewer 
notices it. That is obviously too late for the first patch, but should help 
with subsequent work.

This is why open source generally prefers people to keep their patches small 
and thematic; most reviewers tire of seeing many large patches when they are 
developed in isolation and are directionally unsound - to the point that they 
start to see the color bar in the review list and if it's yellow-or-worse, and 
not from someone they specifically associate with quality work, typically those 
submissions end up ignored.

I don't think we have contribution guidelines for VPP or fd.io in general 
(apart from the style and doc guides); at least a very quick scan of the wiki 
was not fruitful. We should have somewhere to send new people (can we nudge 
people who login to Gerrit for the first time?), and also people whose first 
submission is unacceptable (too big, too complex, directionally unsound). And 
we as reviewers should remain vigilant and, importantly, consistent.

Chris.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: vpp-dev-boun...@lists.fd.io [mailto:vpp-dev-boun...@lists.fd.io] On
> Behalf Of Dave Barach
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:45
> To: vpp-dev@lists.fd.io
> Subject: [vpp-dev] Please Call DigSafe...
> 
> Folks,
> 
> At our next project meeting, I'd like to spend a few minutes talking about a
> good-news / bad-news situation affecting the vpp project.
> 
> As the community has expanded, committers have begun noticing
> unacceptable and unfixable patches in mission-critical code. Yesterday's
> soap-opera episode involved the ip4/6 speed-paths.
> 
> I think we should allocate a bit of meeting time for folks to talk about what
> they're trying to develop, with an eye towards engaging with relevant area
> experts from the start.
> 
> In most places in the US, folks planning to dig holes on their property are
> required to call 811 (DigSafe): to avoid hitting buried gas lines and blowing 
> up
> the neighborhood. It seems like we need to create something
> similar for the vpp project.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Thanks... Dave
> 
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