Actually, I've gotten back into vtcl, with the intent of helping do just
this thing, eventually. 'course, I'm still a newbie, and it is still a
very-much-in-development project, but little by little...
The first example of my pursuit of this was the tab-key question I
posted awhile back. vtcl is great, but (particularly when I use it on
Windows 95,) there are focusing issues. Also, you can't operate the
main menus directly using the keyboard. For instance, pressing alt-F
does not bring up the "file" menu, as it does on almost all Windows
programs, and there are no underlines indicating shortcut keys. I
haven't learned how to make these things happen yet, but I'd like to.
I should point out that I *do* understand the difficulties involved in
programming for the keyboard in windowing environments--I have to do it
all the time when I write code, particularly for VB. This is because
people in business environments who do data-entry may very well not want
to mess with mice, especially when they are under pressure to produce a
lot of output, and/or when they must do telephone work at the same time.
A slip with the mouse can also be much more destructive than a slip
with the keyboard, especially when "drag-and-drop" are available. My
personal gripes about mice notwithstanding.
Final point: I am suspicious that Microsoft did not make an effort to
support the keyboard heavily and intuitionally merely for their health.
Part of the reason I have made my views on this issue known publicly is
that I believe good, unified keyboard support across the two platforms
would be a boon to Linux and X, especially in these production
environments.
Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox. I know such a project is somewhat
daunting, but I have a special interest in seeing it through. I have to
focus most of my energy on my day job, but I will do everything I can!
:)
--Chuck
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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 5:57 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Forwarded:
>go.py?choice=message&table=09_1997&mid=610721&hilit=TCL
>
>
>I ran across the following posting recently. Anyone looked into
>ensuring that vtcl can perform _every_ operation via keyboard bindings?
>Anyone looked into _documenting_ all the keystrokes needed to do this?
>
>
> Subject: Re: Microsoft programmer needs serious help! (Re: Help me
> defend Linux)
> From: "Chuck Bermingham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 3 Sep 1997 16:33:39 GMT
> Message-ID: <01bcb887$0ddfd580$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Organization: Concentric Internet Services
> Newsgroups: [14]comp.os.linux.advocacy [15][i] ,
> [16]alt.destroy.microsoft [17][i] , [18]alt.fan.bill-gates [19][i] ,
> [20]alt.flame.ms-windows [21][i] , [22]comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
> [23][i] , [24]comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy [25][i] ,
> [26]comp.sys.mac.advocacy [27][i] ,
> [28]alt.os.windows95.crash.crash.crash [29][i] , [30]alt.windows95
> [31][i]
> References:
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> Word Matches: TCL
>
> [INLINE]
>James Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>
>> But if you bought a Microsoft Natural Keyboard (or an MS mouse,
>> probably), you would get the neat feature of the mouse "ping". When
>> you press the Control key, the system highlights the mouse position
>> with an expanding circle. Very useful, and only $75, with the
>> keyboard.
>>
>
>Thing is, I can see only a few letters at a time on the keyboard. Mice
>make me dizzy, because I have to move my head around and around and up
>and
>down etc. I've even fooled with Visual TCL, only to give it up on the
>grounds that it's heavily moused.
>
>Microsoft used to have a tool where pressing CTRL-mouse put the pointer
>in
>the middle of the screen. That was something, anyway. Still, I don't
>care--I hate mice.
>
>The last time I was happy with computers was when everything was
>"point-and-shoot" with arrow keys. If someone would have the kindness
>to
>think about that when developing, a lot of people with bad eyes would
>be a
>whole lot happier.
>
>What I'm saying is; there should be keyboard equivalents for everything
>possible. That's all.
>
>References
>
> 1. http://www.reference.com/cgi-bin/pn/go.py?
> 2. http://www.reference.com/pn/help_1.0
> 3. http://www.reference.com/cgi-bin/pn/go.py?choice=login1
> 4.
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> 5.
>http://www.reference.com/cgi-bin/pn/go.py?choice=skip&search=advanced&
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> 7.
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>880881&group_list=comp.os.linux.advocacy+alt.destroy.microsoft+alt.fan.b
>ill-gates+alt.flame.ms-windows+comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy+comp.os.ms-wi
>ndows.nt.advocacy+comp.sys.mac.advocacy+alt.os.windows95.crash.crash.cra
>sh+alt.windows95&word_list=TCL+
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>--
>Larry W. Virden INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
><URL:http://www.teraform.com/%7Elvirden/> <*> O- "We are all Kosh."
>Unless explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting
>should
>be construed as representing my employer's opinions.
>
