This list has done a wonderful job of remaining commercial free. Having members of the retail trade in the list is a vital contribution. We require each other.
I will give Al credit in that we all know he is afflicated (I mean affiliated) with Swede's. He directs folks but makes no advertisements to the list. Some direction could be a little more discrete. Other list members work at shops, yet unless you know who they are and where they work you wouldn't know it. Openly placing times locations and prices is an advertisement and in my opinion has no place on the list. Breaking that guideline opens the door to preferential treatment and discontent. In other words, if he can say something, why can I. I strongly feel that there are those that will take advantage. If a shop owner or employee wants to take advantage of a commercial opportunity. Send the message directly to the requestor of the information. Pardon my flame and my apologies. Not an excuse, but I always felt that the guy at REI made an honest mistake and that he got a hard deal from others. Mike -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kent Lufkin Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 8:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Commercial posts (was RE: Steelheading, where to start ...) This list has a tradition of being fiercely opposed to any posts that have a commercial motive or message. I don't think anyone here has a problem with posts about a special sale, a source for some gear or materials, or a personal impressions or preferences favoring one line or product over another. But the question of personal gain seems to be what clouds things and starts to make some posts seem more commercial than merely personal opinion. We all know Leland and respect his depth of experience, knowledge and willingness to share it with any who would but ask. But Leland also works at Patrick's and his employer gets a chunk of the $150 fee for the steelheading class he pointed Mark towards. At the risk of getting into a hair-splitting debate about what constitutes an 'overt' commercial message, I wonder how others feel about receiving any kind of self-serving posts from this list? Are messages like Jack Cook's, Leland's or Al Peterson's valuable to you or are they just a less intrusive form of spam? Might be a good idea if we all knew what the ground rules are here. Kent Lufkin >This discussion is not heading towards steelheading. Not trying to be a >flame nazi, but if you guys want to continue this discussion, please >take it to direct emails. > > >On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 10:14, Michael Santangelo wrote: >> That is from the same person that posted this concerning an ad: >> >> >> >> If others on this list wish to receive advertising outside of this >> >> newsgroup from REI, fine. I, for one, do not and do not appreciate >> >> your using this newsgroup to further your employer's business. >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Leland. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leland Miyawaki >> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 6:53 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: RE: Steelheading, where to start ... no ads please >> >> >> >> I see no reason why not. It was a specific answer to a specific >> question and was not "trolling" for business. Allen Peterson replied >> to a hook search question. Websites were posted for European sea-trout >> vacations etc. >> >> >> >> >> >> Leland. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I guess it would only be fair then that other local fly shop >> > employees state their Steelhead Class schedule on the list as well. >> > >> > >> > >> > Mike >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leland >> > Miyawaki >> > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 5:21 PM >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Subject: Re: Steelheading, where to start ... >> > >> > >> > >> > Mark, >> > >> > >> > >> > John Farrar, one of the best steelhead guides in the Northwest, >> > works with me and Les at Patrick's. He is also a fine teacher. I >> > would highly recommend him. Following is a copy from Patrick's >> > December newsletter: >> > >> > >> > >> > Steelhead Seminar and Guided Excursion >> > Sea-run rainbow return from the Pacific, stamped with luster. >> > Steelhead reign as the Northwest's premier game fish. Prized for >> > their willingness to take the fly, these aerial/aquatic acrobats >> > punish tackle. Our seminar gets you ready to fly fish for steelhead. >> > We study tackle, flies and learn to read the water. Put the right >> > fly where it matters. Patrick's Fly Shop presents John Farrar, >> > instructor and twenty-year veteran guide, who devotes an evening >> > session to the fish, tackle and technique. Then join him on the >> > river for a half day guided float trip. > > > 2004 Class Dates: Jan. 5 & 11 Feb. 2 & 8 Mar. 1 & 7. Cost: > > > $150.00 When: Monday evenings 7-9 pm at Patrick's, Sunday stream > > > side, time and river to be announced. Class size is limited to >> > ensure personal attention. How do I sign up? Call or visit Patrick's >> > Fly Shop, 206-325-8988, 2237 Eastlake Avenue East, Seattle WA 98102. > > > Fees paid in advance to reserve dates. Cancellations refunded until >> > seven days before class, thereafter if replacement found. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi All, >> > >> > I'm interested in learning how to steelhead and any information >> > anyone >> > would like to share would be great. I've seen the humongus book by >> > trey >> > combs, is that a good place to start for reading? >> > >> > >> > This is what I think I know about steelheading so far.... >> > >> > Where they lie: >> > >> > Steelhead from what I gather lie in either pools or runs that are 3 >> > -6 >> > ft deep and the water moves around a walking pace. If they aren't >> > migrating up the river, they like to hold on the bottom. >> > >> > Methods to use: >> > >> > Nymphing egg patterns, nymph's etc. Fish these just like you would >> > for >> > trout, get em down to the bottom. >> > >> > Swinging a streamer, this I'm not so sure on. It seems that you cast >> > either across or quarter it down stream, throw some mends in to try >> > and >> > get the fly at the bottom, follow the line with rod. >> > >> > Flies to use: >> > >> > Leeches, either egg sucking leaches or bright pink type leeches. >> > Eggs, >> > nymphs, etc. >> > >> > Tackle: >> > >> > 7 - 8 wt. Floating line with sinktip, various lengths and grains. >> > Short >> > leaders around 12# or so. >> > >> > Thanks in advance, Mark >> > >> > >> > >> >> >>
