Hi Ronni, Thanks again for the reply. Well this one fixed it! Just
turning off the "Filter junk mail before applying my rules", which I
didn't even realise I had, did the trick and they are now going
straight into the trash. Thanks to Joe too.
I did bring the issue to the notice of Bigpond and asked them via
phone and email, on the phone they told me to contact them via email,
what was the point of using the "report spam" button on their web mail
server if nothing had been done about a quite easily identifiable
source of spam? Well, 5 working days later I am waiting for the 2
working day, promised response.
I don't really understand the LSA filters aspect of identifying junk
mail, I had set mine to only allow the "Sender of the message in my
Address book" and "Trust junk mail headers set by my ISP", so presumed
that anyone who had not contacted me before would automatically be
considered or classified as Junk.
Once again thanks very much for all your help again,
Matt.
On 31/12/2009, at 9:07 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
Hi Matt,
This is as I expected. Apple Mail Junk filters are correctly
identifying "tagging" the messages as Junk (SPAM) & moving them into
the Junk folder as it should.
A Junk Mail Filter is used to keep Junk Mail (& only Junk Mail) out
of your InBox & simply moves matching messages to a Junk mailbox.
You said:
I still need to be able to see the other possible Junk mail,
as I am creating a family tree so many people are contacting
me for the first time and as such are not in my address book
and are obviously then filtered into the Junk.
They should not be filtered into the Junk Mailbox ... unless they
meet the Junk Filters technique of identifying 'junk' (SPAM).
Apple Mail uses a technique known as 'Adaptive Latent Semantic
Analysis' (LSA) to identify Junk (SPAM).
Explanation below, taken from "Take Control of Spam with Apple Mail
(1.4)":
"LSA filters identify spam-like words, phrases, and messages based
on their similarity in meaning to text you’ve already identified as
spam.
Instead of assigning simple weights to each word individually, an
LSA filter takes into account the overall context in which a word
appears.
For example, the word “enlargement,” when it appears in a discussion
about photography, would not normally be an indicator of spam—
whereas the same word in the context of cosmetic surgery or low-cost
prescription medicine would be a very good indicator of spam."
"An LSA filter continues learning as you use it. This assumes, of
course, that you diligently correct all its mistakes. In Mail, this
means marking all spam messages the filter misses as Junk
Mail, and marking all incorrectly identified legitimate messages as
Not Junk Mail."
After saying the above, you could just "Erase Junk Mail" without
first checking the "Junk Mailbox" or you should be able to configure
a rule to send all suspicious messages to the Trash, but I would
'strongly' not recommend you do this. The simple reason is that all
anti-spam mechanisms occasionally make mistakes.
With the Rule you setup to move .cl to trash.
In Mail > Preferences > Junk Mail. Have you selected (ticked)
"Filter junk mail before applying my rules"? If so the Junk filter
'rule' is run first, before your rules.
If you don't have this selected, you could try Editing your Rule to
- If 'ALL' of the following conditions are met: From - Ends with .cl
Move Message - to mailbox - Trash.
You could also experiment in also using the + and adding From -
Contains cl (without the .) or something else that these messages
always contain.
Finally, your Junk filters are working as they should, so I would
not be changing anything in the Junk Preferences, other than if you
have selected as I mentioned above, "Filter junk mail before apply
my rules" selected.
Cheers,
Ronni
On 30/12/2009, at 11:04 PM, Matt Falvey wrote:
Hi Ronni, have tried the rule set up (exactly as below) for a few
days now and the mail still comes through to the Junk mail box,
not to the Trash as per the new Rule??
Matt
Begin forwarded message:
From: Matt Falvey <mmfal...@bigpond.net.au>
Date: 28 December 2009 10:07:03 AM
To: "WAMUG Mailing List" <wamug@wamug.org.au>
Subject: Re: How to create an action to delete one type of junk
mail without changing the other junk mail settings in Mail app
Hi Ronni, have set that up. Will see how it goes. Thanks very much
Matt
On 27/12/2009, at 3:34 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
Hi Matt,
I wouldn't change your Junk Mail setup as it seems to be working
correctly.
What you could try though is perhaps creating a RULE ... Mail >
Preferences - Rules - Inbox - Add Rule
If Any of the following conditions are met:
From: Ends with: .cl
Move message to Mailbox: Trash
See if that works for you.
Cheers,
Ronni
On 27/12/2009, at 3:05 PM, Matt Falvey wrote:
Hi can someone help. I keep getting junk mail for medications.
All of the messages are written in misspelt English, every word
is misspelt, either too many vowels in each word or some
missing, you can still read the message clearly though, if you
bothered too. Anyway most of them have at the end of the email
address terra.cl or if not the terra always the .cl.
Is there any way of creating an action in the Mail app that
will just delete these .cl straight away, that is put all
incoming mail with an email address ending in .cl straight into
the trash and not into the junk mailbox, but treat the other
possible junk as I have it normally set up - When junk mail
arrives : Move it to the Junk mailbox?
I had a look at preferences Junk Mail and it seemed as if I
might delete or remove my existing "Move it to Junk mailbox"
instruction if I created a custom action in the advanced
section, so I stopped and thought I would ask here before I
ruined things.
I had, every time I received these, logged on to Bigpond email
and reported each one individually as spam, in the hope that
they would eventually block them, before they got to me. But
the emails have increased recently from 2 or 3 a week to 3 or 4
a day, so obviously Bigpond aren't appearing to be doing
anything about it. So rather than waste my time reporting it,
I might be better off putting it out of sight out of mind,
which is rather sad.
I still need to be able to see the other possible Junk mail, as
I am creating a family tree so many people are contacting me
for the first time and as such are not in in my address book
and are obviously then filtered into the Junk.
Thanks
Matt Falvey
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