Hi Ronni,

I agree, there are a couple of defects in Lion. Notably for me Mail.app still 
crashes about twice a week (but fortunately saves a draft so I do not lose any 
typing) and the Safari reverse pinch does not reformat the zoomed in paragraph 
correctly. Apart from that I find the new gestures speed up my work, Autosave 
is what software should have done from the start, and Mission Control is a 
revelation.

Overall the pluses for me outweigh the negatives but I can see that individual 
preferences and work goals would tip the balance one way or the other. Version 
10.7.2 is in late beta and will probably come out with the launch of the new 
iPhone and iCloud. I am hoping it solves my pet peeves. :-)

Cheers,
Carlo

On 2011-08-23, at 10:17, Ronda Brown wrote:

> 
> Hi Carlo,
> 
> On 23/08/2011, at 9:52 AM, cm wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> Ronni has covered the Autosave feature well. I just wanted to ask you what 
>> version of Numbers you are running and have you applied Software Updates? I 
>> am still using iWork '09 but from memory it has received a software update 
>> under Lion to version 2.1 (436). It behaves in exactly the fashion that you 
>> describe for your Snow Leopard version -- that is to say if I open and close 
>> an Excel file even without modifying it, I am prompted to save as a Numbers 
>> file. After the first save all modifications are captured by Autosave. In my 
>> case it could be because there are invariably format errors reported when I 
>> open an Excel file in Numbers and this my trigger the save option.
>> 
>> Another thought -- even though I am prompted to save Excel files in Numbers 
>> format, to me it would make sense not to be prompted unless I make a 
>> modification.
> 
> I see it as you have made a modification, because of the format errors you 
> are asked if you wish to review or just open the document. You choose to open 
> the document so Numbers makes the changes of the ’normally’ font or some type 
> of format errors.
> Therefore it asked if you wish to save this new document (because Numbers 
> sees it as a new document).
> 
> I must admit I have not had time to do much testing of my install of Lion 
> which I have on an external FW Drive. 
> I’ve played around looking at the interface and where everything is placed 
> and if everything works, but have not used my iWork Applications.
> 
> I won’t be putting Lion on my work machine for awhile yet. There are certain 
> things I just don’t like about Lion ;-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
>> The object being not to save redundant information. Of course you will have 
>> different requirements to me.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Carlo
>> 
>> On 2011-08-23, at 08:45, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Peter,
>>> 
>>> On 23/08/2011, at 7:53 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Perhaps I'm missing something, but I'm finding the autosave feature in 
>>>> Lion to be a bit of a deal breaker at this stage. I still have not 
>>>> deployed Lion as my full time OS, but during experimentation with it on 
>>>> the weekend, I found a disturbing feature.
>>>> 
>>>> I tend to open most Excel files in Numbers these days, since I find 
>>>> Numbers much easier and more clear to work with. In pre-Lion versions, wen 
>>>> I close such a document I am prompted to save the "new" Numbers document, 
>>>> and I end up with the original Excel version as well as the Numbers 
>>>> version. Ideal.
>>>> 
>>>> In Lion, when I close the document it just closes with no warnings or 
>>>> prompts. I presume it has been autosaved somewhere, but there's no clue 
>>>> where that might be.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> There is no Save As... option, so I have to be very careful to remember to 
>>>> save the Numbers document immediately before working on it.
>>> 
>>> Once you have saved a New Document, it is saved in the location you select.
>>> When you quit, all your open documents are memorized by Lion’s Resume 
>>> feature, and are re-opened the next time you launch the application.
>>> (However, if you explicitly close an unsaved document, you do see a dialog 
>>> asking whether you want to save it. 
>>> That way, if you don’t want to save it, you can click Don’t Save to stop 
>>> having this document come back automatically every time you launch the 
>>> application.)
>>> 
>>> Once you’ve saved a document, that’s all! The document is saved 
>>> automatically as you work. 
>>> The same is true if you open a document from disk; that’s a previously 
>>> saved document, and it’s saved automatically as you work.
>>> 
>>> These links might explain it better for you:
>>> 
>>> <http://thetechjournal.com/electronics/computer/software/mac-software-computer/mac-os-x-lion-may-automatically-save-any-document.xhtml>
>>> TinyURL   http://tiny.cc/vng8j
>>> 
>>> <http://www.mariasguides.com/2011/07/29/ten-lion-tips-for-snow-leopard-users-auto-save-and-versions/>
>>> TinyURL   http://tiny.cc/lfjkr
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> What have I missed?    
>>> 
>>> Nothing, its a little like Time Machine’s ’Star Wars’ interface, you can 
>>> look back through versions.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
>>> 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
>>> 
>>> OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard 
>>> OS X 10.7 Lion
>>> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
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