So you now have a completed full back up eh Bill. How long did it take? 

I had similar issues to you Bill a little while back and it is certainly a 
relief to know it is all in order.

Regards

Pete

On 07/10/2012, at 1:35 PM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:

> Please uncross fingers.   Everything working fine and points about second 
> back noted.  Thanks again Ronni!!
> 
> Bill
> On 07/10/2012, at 12:01 PM, Ronni Brown wrote:
> 
>> Yes, Fingers crossed Bill,
>> 
>> Ah Daniel, we work as a good team on WAMUG ;-)
>> 
>> Bill,
>> Keep a watch that the external drive wakes up when TM is due to backup and 
>> that it doesn't loose connection.
>> 
>> Do you have Time Machine Buddy Widget installed? If not I recommend you do, 
>> so you can keep an eye on what is happening with TM.
>> I always install it for clients when setting up Time Machine for them.
>> I am (as you probably know) fairly pedantic with making sure my clients (& 
>> WAMUG members) have a good "Backup Strategy".
>> I also show them how (& leave my Tutorials showing them) to check their TM 
>> backups by "Entering Time Machine" and "How to Restore a file or 
>> application" from within the TM 'Star Wars' interface.
>> 
>> "Time Machine Buddy organises and displays the systems logs generated by 
>> Apple's Time Machine Backup. With this widget you will be able to quickly 
>> tell what is happening behind the scenes for the backup in progress or any 
>> previous backups. 
>> Time Machine Buddy organises and displays the systems logs generated by 
>> Apple's Time Machine Backup. With this widget you will be able to quickly 
>> tell what is happening behind the scenes for the backup in progress or any 
>> previous backups."
>> 
>> WHAT'S NEW
>> Release v1.07
>> - Mountain Lion Support
>> - Please REBOOT machine after install. 10.8 caches widgets.
>> Release v1.06
>> -Lion Support
>> -Performance improvements
>> -Remove freezes on large logs
>> 
>> <http://www.bluedog.com.au/default/Time_Machine_Buddy.html>
>> 
>> I would feel easier if you had a better backup strategy and were not just 
>> relying on Time Machine for backups.
>> <http://ronnibrown.net/tutorials/backup/index.html>
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> RONNI BROWN
>> MAC CONSULTANT
>> 
>> email: supp...@ronnibrown.net
>> Website: ronnibrown.net
>> 
>> On 07/10/2012, at 11:18 AM, Daniel Kerr <dan...@macwizardry.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>>> Fingers crossed :)
>>> Ronni did all the work, so she can have the thanks,..lol.
>>> I was just adding a little idea :o)
>>> 
>>> Enjoy your Sunday!
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Daniel Kerr
>>> MacWizardry
>>> 
>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>> Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au>
>>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> **For everything Apple**
>>> 
>>> On 07/10/2012, at 11:15 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks so much Ronni ( and Daniel)
>>>> 
>>>> I have now erased the Seagate and been through the instruction PDF and 
>>>> restored the Time Machine operation.  All looks OK thus far, and I did 
>>>> check the cables.   Fingers crossed.
>>>> 
>>>> Bill
>>>> On 06/10/2012, at 7:15 PM, Ronni Brown wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Bill,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have to take a break now and put some food into my body.  I'll email 
>>>>> you offlist my tutorial "How to Format & Partition External Drive For 
>>>>> Time Machine ", so you can Format the external drive. It is not worth 
>>>>> trying to recover anything from the external drive as it has never 
>>>>> completed a backup and there will be some corruption probably an 
>>>>> "inProgress" file.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In the mean time as I mentioned to Peter, in case we find your external 
>>>>> drive is faulty even after you have formatted it correctly, I suggest if 
>>>>> you have another external drive formatted correctly for your Intel Mac 
>>>>> that is large enough to hold your whole system that you use SuperDuper or 
>>>>> CCC to do a bootable backup of your computer.
>>>>> If you don't have another external drive to do this, backup your 
>>>>> important files to a USB Thumb Drive or to a disc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll email the Tutorial to you now before I take a break.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Ronni
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 06/10/2012, at 6:34 PM, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 06/10/2012, at 6:19 PM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ronni,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The step 3 is Mac OS Extended (Journaled).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The list in Disk Ute  left window is as follows:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Left flush       500.11 GB Seagate etc ( orange icon)
>>>>>> This is the one I want you to click on to see the Partition Map Scheme 
>>>>>> please.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    indent          Bill Parker's Back Up  ( Time Mach icon)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is step 3 and it is "Mac OS Extended (Journaled) 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Left flush    Superdrive [CD icon] (greyed out)
>>>>>> That is your Optical Super Drive (your DVD/CD drive)
>>>>>> That has nothing to do with this.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Let me know the Partition Map Scheme please.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The last back up stopped because "the disk may have been ejected"  
>>>>>>> That's in Window 1.  In Window 2 I have the standard message that 
>>>>>>> appears after you have pulled a USB connection the "improper" way.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> All the while the disk has stayed plugged in, but it does NOT show the 
>>>>>>> activity LED as "on" and the disk is not spinning.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And now I am worried.  I have a magazine ready for publication and I'll 
>>>>>>> need my files for reference during the layout stage.  Maybe I should 
>>>>>>> burn a CD?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for your help of course!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>> On 06/10/2012, at 5:47 PM, Ronni Brown wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> No2 -  Make sure you select (click on) the External Drive icon then 
>>>>>>>> you will see what Partition Map Scheme it is formatted as (not the 
>>>>>>>> second name (volume) of the external drive which is your TM volume)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Your Time Machine volume is in Step 3 and must be "Mac OS Extended 
>>>>>>>> (Journaled)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Is your Time Machine volume named "Super drive" or is that the name of 
>>>>>>>> the external drive?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The icons change as you have mentioned below, that is correct. 
>>>>>>>> When the USB Drive is connected the icon on the desktop will show as 
>>>>>>>> USB
>>>>>>>> When TM works it will show as TM icon
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Do you mean there are TWO icons for the external drive showing on the 
>>>>>>>> Desktop?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I need to know if the External Drive is formatted correctly.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Once I know if the External Drive is formatted correctly for use with 
>>>>>>>> Time Machine, I can then help you sort the problem.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Ronni
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 06/10/2012, at 5:18 PM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have been away from the computer for a while.  The back up is 
>>>>>>>>> running and about 50% completed.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Done 1,2 and 3.  I do not see "Partition Map Scheme: GUID Partition 
>>>>>>>>> Table".  the second level is called "Super drive but its greyed out.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The back up that was going has now stopped with no error message and 
>>>>>>>>> the icon has reverted to to the to the Orange  (USB? graphic) whereas 
>>>>>>>>> the image on the desktop is still Time Machine!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>> On 06/10/2012, at 4:21 PM, Ronni Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Just to first make sure the external drive is Formatted and 
>>>>>>>>>> Partitioned correctly for Time Machine, please do this:
>>>>>>>>>> 1. Connect the external drive to your computer
>>>>>>>>>> 2. Open Disk Utility
>>>>>>>>>> In the left hand column, click on the drive icon for the name of 
>>>>>>>>>> your external drive. 
>>>>>>>>>> (Make sure you click on the first icon, not the second level volume 
>>>>>>>>>> icon.)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> At the bottom do you see "Partition Map Scheme: GUID Partition 
>>>>>>>>>> Table"?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 3. Then Select the second level volume (your TM volume)
>>>>>>>>>> At the bottom do you have Format: Mac OS Extended (Journaled)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Ronni
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 06/10/2012, at 4:02 PM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> The ext Hd looks OK with Disk Utility and I see its icon on the 
>>>>>>>>>>> desktop.  As soon as I connected it, it started the back-up ( as if 
>>>>>>>>>>> there had never been a back)  Indeed I erased the disk some weeks 
>>>>>>>>>>> ago, and only then did I start seeing the DT icon.  It was Orange 
>>>>>>>>>>> without the Time Machine logo.  Once Time machine runs, the DT icon 
>>>>>>>>>>> changes.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> The error message (after transfer of about 100GB of 250 -or so) is 
>>>>>>>>>>> "cannot complete back-up."   It shuts down Time Machine and then I 
>>>>>>>>>>> get all sorts of odd message saying "you didn't eject the disk 
>>>>>>>>>>> correctly" ( I did).
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 06/10/2012, at 3:49 PM, Ronni Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope you have been backing up some other way, perhaps bootable 
>>>>>>>>>>>> backups.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, is the external drive is formatted correctly?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac OS Extended (Journaled)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Select the type of partition you want to use:
>>>>>>>>>>>> GUID Partition Table - for Intel-based Macs
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> If so:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you select the drive in System Preferences > Time Machine?
>>>>>>>>>>>> When you try to backup what error do you receive please?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronni
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 06/10/2012, at 3:41 PM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 06/10/2012, at 3:33 PM, Ronni Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Bill,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A bit more information please.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Were you successfully backing up using Time Machine to this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external drive in Snow Leopard?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How long have since you installed Lion?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When Mt Lion was issued.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying you have NEVER successfully backed up using TM to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this external drive in Lion?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Friad I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronni
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OS X 10.8.2 Mountain Lion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 06/10/2012, at 3:11 PM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since I installed Lion, and now 10.7.5 and supp update I have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not been able to back up/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The ext. HD is  a Seagate Goflex - about 15 months old.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect the ext HD, but not sure.  For a while before 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installing the 10.7.4 to 5 update, the disk was not even 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recognised by the laptop.  Tried repair etc etc.   No luck.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr Bill Parker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ren...@westnet.com.au
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The great enemy of truth is very often not the lie – 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deliberate, contrived and dishonest – but the myth – 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. 
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> and dishonest – but the myth – persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. 
> 
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