Thanks Graham, Yes, good to make an appointment with Daniel to fix this for you. Daniel asked you to do the same as I had asked you in my first reply to you below.
Begin Quote/ "So what I would suggest you try: 1. Go to your iCloud Drive and move the files back from the Documents and Desktop folders in the iCloud drive to the Documents and Desktop folders in your User home folder. This is expressed in the dialog that shows up, but the wording is not very clear. Check all your documents and desktop files are in your Finder Home Folders on your Mac.” End Quote/ Cheers, Ronni > On 2 Oct. 2016, at 3:50 pm, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote: > > Hi Ronni, > > The answers to your 3 questions are: > A) - Yes - they were uploaded automatically without me doing anything after > upgrading to Sierra. When I looked for the 2 folders (Documents and Desktop) > in the usual way (under Favorites in the Sidebar) for the first time after > upgrading, they were not there - they were now under iCloud in the Sidebar. > The 3 folders under iCloud are now fir the first time ever iCloud Drive, > Desktop and Documents. Prior to the upgrade, Documents and Desktop were in > the Sidebar under Favourites. I repeat, it was when I tried to find a > document for the first time after upgrading that I saw those folders were no > longer under Favorites. It was also then that I noticed the little circle in > iCloud downloading stuff. > B) - No - I never went near System Preferences > iCloud to tick that box. The > box is however ticked but I certainly never ticked it nor was I ever asked > after upgrading to do anything of that sort. > C) You are correct - I do not want to use iCloud Drive. > > The only reason I’m using iCloud Drive is because that’s where my documents > were installed against my will without me doing anything other than upgrading > to Sierra. > > All my documents have been uploaded to iCloud Drive. That happened over a day > or so - again without me initiating that process. I was reluctant to try and > stop that process in case by doing so I lost some or all of my data. > > I want to get back to the situation where all my documents are in a folder > called Documents under Favorites in the Sidebar and I have now engaged Daniel > to do that. You will see from my response to his posting on this thread that > I was unable to do either of the things he suggested I do. > > I appreciated you trying to help Ronni. > > Thanks again. > > Cheers, > > Graham > > >> On 2 Oct. 2016, at 3:24 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com >> <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi Graham, >> >> I thought you did NOT want to use 'iCloud Drive' - that you were asking help >> to get your Documents & Desktop files/folders back to the original setup - >> to having all your documents & desktop files saved in your Home Finder >> folders on your Mac - NOT stored in 'iCloud Drive' in the cloud! >> >> But I now read from your reply below that you have been, and are using >> 'iCloud Drive'? >> Using 'iCloud Drive' & Documents and Desktop syncing, your Documents and >> Desktop folders were moved to 'iCloud Drive’! >> They are stored/kept in 'iCloud Drive'. >> >> Read this to understand how iCloud - 'iCloud Drive' works: >> iCloud Drive - Documents & Desktop syncing in macOS Sierra 10.12 >> <http://www.apple.com/icloud/icloud-drive/ >> <http://www.apple.com/icloud/icloud-drive/>> >> >> I asked three question below which you did not answer, so we don’t even know >> if all your documents have been uploaded to iCloud - 'iCloud Drive’. >> >> I don’t think I can really help you anymore as I don’t understand what you >> have done or are actually wanting to achieve? >> >> Cheers, >> Ronni >> >> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014) >> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz >> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM >> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage >> >> macOS Sierra 10.12 >> >>> On 1 Oct. 2016, at 6:49 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au >>> <mailto:gra...@rabe.com.au>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Ronni, >>> >>> Thanks for getting back to me. >>> >>> I no longer have folders under Favorites in Finder called “Desktop" and >>> “Documents” and have been unable to find anything on web about how to put 2 >>> new folders there. Can you help? >>> >>> Another thing - when I open a Word file I’m working on in iCloud Drive, it >>> opens up fine but when I right click on the file name at the top of the >>> screen, it shows its location still as if no change to iCloud has occurred >>> i.e. under my previous User “Documents” folder in Favorites. There is no >>> reference to iCloud Drive (where I have to go to open it in Finder). >>> >>> Weird. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Graham >>>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 1:57 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com >>>> <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Graham, >>>> >>>> The documents that were originally on your startup drive are still there >>>> after turning on syncing. >>>> They have just been made invisible. >>>> >>>> A) Are you sure all your documents & desktop files have been uploaded to >>>> iCloud Drive? >>>> B) Did you turn on “Optimize Mac Storage” under iCloud Drive settings? If >>>> so Turn it OFF. >>>> C) And you are NOT wanting to use iCloud Drive, and you want your >>>> Documents and Desktop files back on your Mac? >>>> >>>> NOTE: I’m assuming you have a bootable backup containing your Documents & >>>> Desktop folders ‘Prior’ to installing macOS Sierra and turning iCloud >>>> Drive ON and enabling iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’. >>>> >>>> If all above is the case and you definitely have all your Documents and >>>> Desktop and data backed up. >>>> In case you need to manually copy the data back over from your backup if >>>> you lose it. >>>> —— >>>> When iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’ is enabled, macOS simply >>>> moves the folders to the iCloud Drive folder. >>>> When you uncheck the Documents and Desktop settings, it breaks that link >>>> and creates new folders, but leaves your folders and files on iCloud >>>> Drive. - The new folders are empty. >>>> >>>> So what I would suggest you try: >>>> 1. Go to your iCloud Drive and move the files back from the Documents and >>>> Desktop folders in the iCloud drive to the Documents and Desktop folders >>>> in your User home folder. >>>> >>>> This is expressed in the dialog that shows up, but the wording is not >>>> very clear. >>>> >>>> Check all your documents and desktop files are in your Finder Home Folders >>>> on your Mac. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Ronni >>>> >>>>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:57 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au >>>>> <mailto:gra...@rabe.com.au>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi ronni, >>>>> >>>>> Looking at this link >>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0&tstart=0 >>>>> <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0&tstart=0> makes me >>>>> think that my problem is not so easily resolved by unticking the Desktop >>>>> and Documents folder in iCloud under System Preferences. >>>>> >>>>> By the way - I never even ticked the Desktop and Documents box under >>>>> iCloud at any time - that was how things were after installing Sierra. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Graham >>>>>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:39 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au >>>>>> <mailto:gra...@rabe.com.au>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for that Ronni. >>>>>> >>>>>> If I go to iCloud in System Preferences and untick iCloud Drive, the >>>>>> message is “If you continue, documents on your Desktop and in your >>>>>> Documents folder will be visible in iCloud Drive only”. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is exactly what I do not want. >>>>>> >>>>>> I just want to be where I was before Sierra - where my Documents folder >>>>>> is in Finder under Favorites and not under iCloud section. >>>>>> >>>>>> I’ve assumed that the only place you can turn iCloud Drive on or off is >>>>>> under System Preferences - iCloud. And then I get the message referred >>>>>> to above. >>>>>> >>>>>> I’d appreciate any further assistance you could give me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Graham >>>>>>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com >>>>>>> <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Graham & Michael, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You DON’T have to use "iCloud Drive" unless you want to! >>>>>>> The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is >>>>>>> check that iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is. >>>>>>> " iCloud Drive” is turned OFF on all my iDevices and computers. >>>>>>> I use iCloud but NOT “iCloud Drive”! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your >>>>>>> Desktop and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. >>>>>>> New! Documents and Desktop Folder Syncing >>>>>>> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your >>>>>>> Desktop and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. >>>>>>> You may want to keep it OFF until you’ve had time to consider it’s pros >>>>>>> and cons— >>>>>>> — >>>>>>> Have a read of the 'iCloud Drive FAQ' >>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201104 >>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201104>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Use iCloud Drive to store documents, presentations, spreadsheets, PDFs, >>>>>>> images, you name it, on Apple’s servers. Everything you save here is >>>>>>> immediately synced and available on other compatible Apple devices >>>>>>> you’ve set up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That means you can work on a document on your iPad and then open it >>>>>>> later on your Mac. In many cases, you can also work with it on the >>>>>>> iCloud.com <https://www.icloud.com/> Web site. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Apple’s iCloud Drive stores your files in the cloud, making it easy to >>>>>>> access them on any of your Apple devices (or a Windows PC)—so long as >>>>>>> the device has a fast enough Internet connection. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Drag files to and from the iCloud Drive folder in your Mac’s Finder, >>>>>>> and iCloud Drive syncs them across your devices so they’re always up to >>>>>>> date. >>>>>>> ============== >>>>>>> Re: Sierra ——— macOS Sierra 10.12: >>>>>>> I have been running macOS Sierra 10.12 successfully on both my MacBook >>>>>>> Pro and MacBook Air, without any problems at all. >>>>>>> But - I did follow my normal safety ‘Prepare' before upgrading any >>>>>>> major version of OS X. >>>>>>> I updated all applications that had Sierra updates, did CCC bootable >>>>>>> backups / Time Machine as in my Post to WAMUG members 23 Sept. 2016 at >>>>>>> 8:15am - Subject: Sierra >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Prepare to upgrade: >>>>>>> 1. Make sure your computer can run Sierra. >>>>>>> 2. BACKUP! - BACKUP! >>>>>>> 3. Make sure key software is up to date, and remove clutter that could >>>>>>> interfere with the upgrade. >>>>>>> 4. Decide which upgrade strategy is best for you >>>>>>> etc etc etc as per my previous post. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I really like Sierra it is a very good upgrade. One of features I find >>>>>>> extremely useful is ‘Handoff’ >>>>>>> "Use Handoff to move seamlessly between your Apple devices. For >>>>>>> instance, say you start to write an email message on your Mac and then >>>>>>> have to rush out the door for work. While you wait at the train >>>>>>> station, you can finish composing the message on your iPhone. Or, say >>>>>>> you start reading an article in Safari on your iPad and then want to >>>>>>> finish on your iMac at the office. >>>>>>> Handoff lets you pick up where you left off when using Calendar, >>>>>>> Contacts, Keynote, Mail, Maps, Messages, Notes, Numbers, Pages, >>>>>>> Reminders, Safari, and some third-party apps in Sierra and iOS 10” >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Ronni >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014) >>>>>>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz >>>>>>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM >>>>>>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage >>>>>>> >>>>>>> macOS Sierra 10.12 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au >>>>>>>> <mailto:gra...@rabe.com.au>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” >>>>>>>> folder previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now >>>>>>>> only available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). >>>>>>>> There is no longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard >>>>>>>> drive. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change >>>>>>>> that scenario (under Options). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it >>>>>>>> states that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this >>>>>>>> Mac if you have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in >>>>>>>> iCloud when space is needed.” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In the Finder menu, when I select “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the >>>>>>>> documents in the iCloud section. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my >>>>>>>> hard drive? Where are they “stored”? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any views/recommendations about allowing all documents to be stored >>>>>>>> only on iCloud under this new regime would be appreciated. What and >>>>>>>> the hell happens when iCloud bombs out/is hacked etc etc? And if I use >>>>>>>> this iCloud method of saving all my data previously stored on the hard >>>>>>>> drive under the “Documents” folder, what work is my local Time Machine >>>>>>>> able to do by way of backing up (and/or other external drives that I >>>>>>>> use for backup backups for that matter). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Graham Rabe >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> iMac late 2012 >>>>>>>> macOS Sierra 10.12 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml >>>>>>> <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml>> >>>>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml >>>>>>> <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml>> >>>>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug >>>>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Graham Rabe | Barrister & Solicitor | Commercial Litigation Consultant & >>>>>> Mediator >>>>>> Suite 94, 50 St Georges Terrace, Perth WA 6000 >>>>>> M: +61 417 949 825 >>>>>> E: gra...@rabe.com.au <mailto:gra...@rabe.com.au> >>>>>> Skype: graham.rabe >>>>>> Web: www.rabe.com.au <http://www.rabe.com.au/> >>>>>> >>>>>> This e-mail communication and any attachment is intended only for the >>>>>> addressee and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential >>>>>> material. 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