And if you tick the "off" box a warning appears on the screen to the effect that if iCloud is turned off, all data will be removed from the computer.
If that's not being held to ransom, I don't what is Cheers, Michael Sent from my iPhone > On 2 Jan 2017, at 2:23 pm, Michael Hawkins <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au> > wrote: > > All I know is that If you don't want anything to go to iCloud Drive, you have > to make sure that the "On" box is not ticked. > > Cheers, > > Michael > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 2 Jan 2017, at 2:06 pm, Tim Law <t...@peoplehelp.com.au> wrote: >> >> Bill, >> >> I don't agree that iCloud is only useful for finding a lost phone. >> >> I didn't seek advise on iCloud security nor what my personal choices of how >> the technology suits my lifestyle should be. >> >> The purpose for my initial request for guidance and support on a technical >> matter has been resolved. >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Tim's Retina iPad 2 >> >>> On 2 Jan 2017, at 1:43 pm, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote: >>> >>> Time, >>> >>> I don’t think its necessary to be forced by Apple to do anything. I use >>> Bing to search and unless I clear all sites after doing so I notice ads >>> popping up for service I was previously searching for. Kill off Cookies! >>> iCloud? Extremely useful for finding a lost phone, but not much else. >>> >>> >>> Bill >>>> On 2 Jan 2017, at 12:05, Tim Law <t...@peoplehelp.com.au> wrote: >>>> >>>> Michael my recollection from the last month, was that prior to me making a >>>> decision to use iCloud to sync my Photos, that I used iTunes, which I >>>> understand is the default, or at least was the only option for many years. >>>> >>>> This worked fine, but for the reasons I have already stated, I chose to >>>> use iCloud for Photos, and in fact, for the full suite of its capacity - >>>> Keychain, Find my iPhone, Contacts, Calendar etc. Now the ‘stuck’ issue >>>> has been resolved, it works fine for me, and as I said, my recollection is >>>> that using anything to sync is optional - iTunes still works across the >>>> home network and for years did this without fuss and no use of external >>>> data. Yes, I do live and function within constant access to 4G coverage >>>> and cable broadband. I also travel remotely and prepare myself for the >>>> inevitable loss of connectivity by ensuring I have local copies of data I >>>> may need. I understand not everyone is as privileged as I am. Sadly, I >>>> cannot resolve this, but I do believe Apple accommodates by giving syncing >>>> options that are quite reasonable. >>>> >>>> I’m not sure Apple is forcing anyone to do anything - choosing iTunes, or >>>> iCloud, or nothing to sync photos or other choices is the user choice. If >>>> you have found iCloud syncing is turned on by default, I would be >>>> surprised as I found I needed to sign into iCloud for all this to work, >>>> and during that sign in process, there are options I had to tick, or >>>> untick to select my options. >>>> >>>> I’ve never found anything I have loaded to my Apple servers being used for >>>> commercial gain “that I know about”. I find it amusing that many people, >>>> not saying you’re in this group Michael, use a free platform such as >>>> Facebook for an enormous amount of personal data. It’s all free, zilch, no >>>> cost, same as Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat etc etc and then there is an >>>> outcry when these companies need to make money to continue to provide this >>>> free platform. They get money from advertising that tracks our usage and >>>> viewing habits and targets advertising to ’suit’ us. I’m sure Google >>>> Maps, or TomTom sell data to transport planners that they collect as we >>>> use route directions on connected GPS devices. Is this not the same thing >>>> as using our information for commercial gain? >>>> >>>> My recollection of the Census fiasco was that no data was lost nor >>>> corrupted. There were connection issues that we all experienced, but there >>>> was no data loss nor hacking. >>>> >>>> I am sorry you are frustrated Michael, but this is drifting well away from >>>> my original query about the technical aspects of me using iCloud. As I see >>>> it, you DO have choices and iCloud is not set by default. There are many >>>> things to get frustrated about in the world, there appears to be no reason >>>> to make this one more of them. >>>> >>>> Best wishes for the New Year. >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 1 Jan 2017, at 10:40 AM, Michael Hawkins >>>>> <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Tim. What underpinned my email was my frustration with what I see >>>>> as Apple's less than open tactic of making uploading to iCloud the >>>>> default setting when iOS updates are released. I don't know what the >>>>> privacy laws are in whichever Country the server is housed, and the >>>>> debacle with the Australian census last year illustrates that no system >>>>> is safe from database corruption. >>>>> >>>>> If someone has more than one Apple device and wants to share content >>>>> between the devices or make it possible for one device to access another, >>>>> it should be that person's decision to set the system up so that that can >>>>> be done. >>>>> >>>>> We don't all live in a location with ready Internet access, or quick >>>>> upload and download speeds. Nor do we all live in a place where access to >>>>> the Internet is cheap. >>>>> >>>>> In other words the decision to transmit data over the internet should be >>>>> a conscious deliberate decision made by the person who owns the data, and >>>>> causing the data to be uploaded by default for commercial gain is >>>>> reprehensible. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Michael >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On 1 Jan 2017, at 10:14 am, Tim Law <t...@peoplehelp.com.au> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Fair question Michael, >>>>>> >>>>>> The advantage of iCloud syncing as I see it, is that you can have one >>>>>> ‘master’ computer where you download and store the originals photos, AS >>>>>> WELL AS storing the full sized versions on the cloud. This enables Time >>>>>> Machine and Super Duper to back up the photos if iCloud flies away into >>>>>> dark matter. I’ve lost many photos before due to hard disk failure and >>>>>> don’t want to go through that again. >>>>>> >>>>>> The other advantage is that it only downloads smaller images to all the >>>>>> other devices, sized to suit that device. The entire photo library is on >>>>>> each of these devices, all 15000, not like using Photo Stream which only >>>>>> put 1000 photos on the mobile devices. I am not likely to NEED to view >>>>>> all those on the other devices, but inevitably when I wanted to show >>>>>> someone a photo from a year before for example, when using Photo Stream, >>>>>> and iTunes sync, it was not in either folder. >>>>>> >>>>>> I did try to do what you suggest, but the MacBook Pro did not have >>>>>> enough storage capacity for the full Photos Library, and there was >>>>>> really no need to have more than one computer with full sized images. If >>>>>> you need to edit or print the full sized images, they are downloaded >>>>>> from iCloud as needed to the specific device. >>>>>> >>>>>> I trust this explains my logic. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have stopped taking photos in RAW which complicates matters somewhat >>>>>> when sharing via iCloud. What I have found is that a photo that has both >>>>>> JPEG and RAW version is impossible to select between in iOS devices. So >>>>>> if I want to attach a photo to an email, it must be in JPEG not RAW, and >>>>>> several times I have done it, only the RAW version - at some 20mb - is >>>>>> able to be attached. I’m now taking full sized JPEG instead and these >>>>>> run to around 8mb per image, and the size is managed by Mail when >>>>>> sending. I am not sure if there is a way around the way iCloud manages >>>>>> RAW image syncing to iOS devices - happy to hear suggestions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Tim >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 31 Dec 2016, at 8:45 PM, Michael Hawkins >>>>>>> <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pardon me for asking this, but wouldn't have been faster and simpler to >>>>>>> physically connect one computer to the other? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 31 Dec 2016, at 1:07 pm, Tim Law <t...@peoplehelp.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Update. For the benefit of anyone else having similar problems with >>>>>>>> iCloud syncing ‘stuck’. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I now have a reasonable degree of confidence that Photos has been >>>>>>>> sorted and will now correctly sync with iCloud over four devices. >>>>>>>> This has not been the easy process I had expected. I discovered that >>>>>>>> creating a new library I could keep the original library and not risk >>>>>>>> losing data. Only one library can be the ‘system library’ and sync >>>>>>>> with iCloud. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have one computer that is ticked to download originals and that >>>>>>>> computer is now showing ‘all up to date’ in Photos. Yay. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My mobile devices have always synced well with iCloud and update any >>>>>>>> changes immediately. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My laptop had been refusing to sync correctly with iCloud and was >>>>>>>> stuck for a week. After signing out of iCloud, restarting the computer >>>>>>>> in Safe Mode, then restarting again in normal mode, rebuilding the >>>>>>>> Photo Library with no change, I ended up creating a new Library, then >>>>>>>> turned iCloud syncing back on and it is currently downloading the >>>>>>>> contents of my iCloud photo gallery, some 50Gb, so will take a while. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I lost track of how many times I found Photos trying to upload the >>>>>>>> entire 15000 photos to iCloud, at least five, and am grateful to have >>>>>>>> a 1000Gb plan with Bigpond on cable so had the capacity for such >>>>>>>> nonsense. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I expect my problems are now on the way to being resolved. Looking >>>>>>>> forward to happy Photos syncing in the New Year. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2016, at 7:28 PM, Tim Law <t...@peoplehelp.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> EEEk,,, :-( >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Restarted Mac Mini. >>>>>>>>> This got the upload moving again - yay. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "uploading 100 to go" >>>>>>>>> "50 to go" looking good. >>>>>>>>> "uploading 1 item" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Success I’m thinking. >>>>>>>>> Suddenly it is uploading 15,827 items - AGAIN! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sigh ….. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I’ve quit Photos and will see what mood it is in tomorrow. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2016, at 6:35 PM, Tim Law <t...@peoplehelp.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Good evening, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am hoping to find out how to reset the sync data to force one >>>>>>>>>> computer to reset the sync data for loading Photos to iCloud >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Two weeks, or more, ago, I turned on iCloud storage for Photos on >>>>>>>>>> four devices. >>>>>>>>>> All are logged into the same iCloud account, although some are >>>>>>>>>> @me.com and some are @mac.com email address names. I understand this >>>>>>>>>> is insignificant. I have checked at https://appleid.apple.com/ and >>>>>>>>>> found all four devices are logged into the same Apple ID >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mac Mini - 10.11.6 Cannot be upgraded to Sierra >>>>>>>>>> Mac Book Pro macOS 10.12.1 >>>>>>>>>> iPhone 6S iOS 10.1.1 >>>>>>>>>> iPad Air 2 iOS 10.1.1 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In order to keep a current back-up, I have turned on ‘Download >>>>>>>>>> originals to this Mac’ on the Mac Mini which is my ‘main’ computer. >>>>>>>>>> Data is backed up using Time Machine and Super Duper. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All the mobile devices have the same number of photos and videos as >>>>>>>>>> each other and as is https://www.icloud.com/#photos2 which is 15,003 >>>>>>>>>> The Mac Mini registers it should have 14752. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Mac Mini is Stuck at uploading an extra 1878 photos and has been >>>>>>>>>> for over 24 hours. This is the second time this has happened and it >>>>>>>>>> has taken a week to upload the 55Gb of data a second time. Photo’s >>>>>>>>>> triggered itself into a reload of all photos after I turned off >>>>>>>>>> iCloud Photo Library in an effort to get the devices correctly >>>>>>>>>> syncing. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When I delete, or add, a photo to any of the mobile devices, it is >>>>>>>>>> shared to the other mobile devices quickly. >>>>>>>>>> Photos on the Mac Mini has kept several photos that have been >>>>>>>>>> deleted for days on the other devices. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> During the week I can see the CPU working hard on iCloud or Photos, >>>>>>>>>> then I see the upload loading to iCloud. It varies between activity >>>>>>>>>> on both, but once ‘stuck’ on 1878 to go, there is no activity >>>>>>>>>> showing. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have tried the Pause for One Day button in Photos but nothing >>>>>>>>>> forces the reset and correction as I thought it would. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think I need to find a file that contains the sync data and remove >>>>>>>>>> it as I suspect it has got corrupted somehow. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is there such a file and are my ideas sensible or is there another >>>>>>>>>> option. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I’ve been patient for two or more weeks with Photos and iCloud - >>>>>>>>>> like the forums suggest - now is the time for a hammer!! kidding >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ideas welcome. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What about turning off iCloud Photo Library, deleting all the photos >>>>>>>>>> in the Mac Mini library….. eeeek….. and then turning it back on >>>>>>>>>> again so all the 55Gb will download. 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