----- Original Message -----
From: al winslow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 8:27 PM
Subject: RE: {W&P} SV: SV: Survival of the Fittest
>
>
> Claes Persson wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: al winslow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:50 AM
> > Subject: RE: {W&P} SV: Survival of the Fittest
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Claes Persson wrote:
> > >
> > > Humans can not, as they are too dominent, be considdered just beeing a
> > > part of the natural order. Rather as a cancer to this planet.
> > > >
> > > --------------------------
> > >
> > > That sounds like the emotionalism of one who has made a religion of
> > > politicized environmental extremism.
> >
> > --No, that sounds like as near as a fact you can come when dealing with
> > greedy peolpe.
> > >
> > > Man is as much a part of the "natural" order as any other creature. I'm
> >
> > --Yes, man is as much a part of the "natural" order as any creature.
> > They are our relatives. But... Our machines are not. They are part of
> > the "unnatural" order and has an impact on the enviroment far greater
> > and far worse than if man was just using his "natural" power.
> >
> > > all for clean air, clean water and a food supply that is as safe as
> > > possible. The spotted owls and the caribou have to take second place to
> > > the needs of mankind, however.
> >
> > --No, you are not ALL for clean air, clean water and food suply. You are
> > for it only up to when it has effects on your own lifestyle and your own
> > wallet.
> >
> > >
> > > It's politics. The environmental extremists are allied with the leftists
> > >
> > > who look for any opprtunity to damage the free enterprise economy.
> >
> > --Yes, of course, it's politics. The politics needed to stop the free
> > (greedy) enterprices to cash in on destroyd enviroments and on
> > marignalized peoples lives. To make sure that there will be a habitabel
> > world also for those that comes after us.
> >
> > >
> > > On the other side you have me and the people who agree with me. It's a
> > > political fight.
> >
> > --Sure.
> > >
> > > We'll see who wins in the end.
> >
> > --Yes. And if you win we all loose. In much the same way as the
> > fishermen in New Foundland.
> >
> > Claes
> > §( :8-)
> -------------------------
>
> Free enterprise has ushered in a world of prosperity and the good life
> for more people than was ever dreamed possible. Free enterprise and free
> people will do what has to be done to provide for a healthy environment
> _for__mankind_ and continued prosperity _with_ all the machines and
> modern wonders that make life interesting.
>
Al,
The words free enterprizes sounds very positive, but has to be specified. If you by
free enterprizes mean global corporations you can not give them a free ticket to do
what ever they want. Then they go wild.
In what way are they "free" then? Free to manipulate markets? Free to evade taxes?
Free to use special bookkeeping? Free to call the marins for help? Free to lay off
people any way the want? Free to move to lower pay countrys? Free to lay off people at
home and outsorce production instead where workers are not protected by workinglaws?
There are many ways that enterprizes can be "free", and none of them are positive.
Enron was a free enterprize that was free enough to waste their employees
pensionfunds, so please - don't hit people in the head with the word "free" without
specifying in what way they are supposed to be "free". And "free" enterprizes are not
a USA patent.
Claes Persson
SWEDEN
§( :8-)
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