----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Gale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: {W&P} Formulating a Theory
> A person performs an act during the time of war on directions from his
> government! He does as he's ordered and is awarded the nations highest
> honor. Achieves public prominence! Now 40 years later a person who's post
> war life has been less than honorable comes forward and tells a story
> universally denied by everyone else who was there.!
>
> The papers are full of Vietnam war vets who suffer hallucinations,
> nightmares and suffer emotional disturbances! Indeed we are paying
> disability pensions for thousands with such claims and we pick this guy
out
> of all the others to believe? Why? Because it suits a weak and sick
> political agenda of some people who wish to prove the US wrong at all
costs
> no matter what! I'm really sick and tired of people who have done nothing
> with their lives and are caught upin their own futility try to erode the
> best system of government ever seen on this earth.
>
> Do we always live up to our ideals? No What other county emerging from
wars
> that killed thousands of its people, put the economies of the defeated
> nations back together. Where would Germany and Japan be without the ideals
> of the US?
>
> Lets say America righted every wrong it was supposed to have done. Lets
> throw Israel to the wolves The middle eats will still be a barren
wastelands
> with the top few percent of its population living off of 95% of the
wealth.
> What great ideas will come out of Serbia and Croatia? What will stop the
> next ethnocentric ruler from executing the ethnicity that he doesn't like?
> Norway and Sweden will still be failed Monarchies noted for their cell
> phones and little else their place in history long gone. Do you not think
> the children of today would not be speaking Russian if not for a healthy
> helping of the US economy and people holding Russia at bay? How about them
> speaking Chinese in the future. How long will it be with out the presence
> and might of the US before the wolves of your mythology come howling down
> ,break their chains and devour you?
>
> Were not perfect but we suffer the arrows of people like you who whine and
> moan about the abuses of the US but you'll be the first one with your hand
> out what we come with funds for your country ,aid for your disasters ,and
> defense from your enemies. We allow even encourage dissent. That is why
we
> have crackpots saying we didn't go to the moon, JFK assassination was a
> conspiracy ,the freemasons are drilling tunnels all over the US for
magnetic
> levitation and 911 was a Bush plot.. We also don't circumcise our women we
> don't cover them up because our men lack self control we cured Polio and a
> host of other diseases we commercialized electricity developed flight and
> still are pioneering medical treatments that save millions of lives across
> the world. We didn't do this by cringing in the corner and whining that
the
> King of Sweden is conquering Europe and that is wrong we colonized the
west
> we became the farm that feeds a good part of the world we developed forms
of
> mass transportation that even many of the countries critising us today
> still have not equaled. We built an infrastructure unparralled anywhere in
> the world. If the third world who bitches and moans about us would put a
> pittance of the money they skim off in bribes and graft and corruption
they
> might pull them elves out of the squalor they find themselves in and blame
> us for.
>
> The Israelis should be used as an example of what a determined people can
> do. They have take the same land that the Palestinians have lived in in
> squalor for years and have turned it into a garden , a manufacturing and
> technological center. They educate their people, they believe in sanitary
> facilities and they have the wherewithal that the rest of the Arab world
> lacks to make something of themselves. They show their Semitic brothers up
> who's only talent seems to be to developed skills to kill their children
and
> tear and rend the rest of the world to bring it down to their level, The
> have no skills to build themselves up. One group builds a skyscraper the
> other does not even try to compete . they live in the squalor of the
> foundation stones and plot how the bring the accomplishment next to them
> down and count that as their goal inlife. Not to create but to diminish
all
> around them so they don't have to grow they only have to compare Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Claes Persson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 3:15 PM
> Subject: SV: {W&P} Formulating a Theory
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 1:26 AM
> > Subject: {W&P} Formulating a Theory
> >
> >
> > > I have a theory ... but I need some information before I present it to
> the
> > > group...
> > >
> > > Claes -- would you please name your 10 most favorite patriotic songs
for
> your
> > > country. ... (anyone else on this list feel free to do the same.)
> > >
> > > For the USA (and for me) I would name:
> > > God Bless America
> > > God Bless the USA
> > > America, the Beautiful
> > > This land is your land
> > > What is America to me
> > > The Battle Hymn of the Republic
> > > Stars & Stripes Forever
> > > Semper Fidelis
> > > Yankee Doodle Dandy
> > > Grand Old Flag
> > > Naturally All the service songs (Coast Guard, Marines, Navy,
Air
> Force
> > > and Army and the list stops here 'cause I'm already way over 10).
> > >
> > > I can even do a list for the Irish... (again, favorites of mine that
> speak
> > > strongly to my ancestral love for Ireland)
> > > Isle of Hope, Isle of Tears
> > > Forty Shades of Green
> > > Ireland, Mother Ireland
> > > Isle of Inisfree
> > > The Kerry Dance
> > > How are things in Glocca Morra
> > > The fields of Athenry
> > > Let there be peace
> > > A nation once again
> > > Galway Bay
> > >
> > > Lawana
> >
> > Of course we have tribal building songs too, Lawana, and that's what's
the
> problem with those songs. How many have not been marching out to war
singing
> those patriotic (tribalbuilding) songs. Like in all wars before our time.
> Wave the flag, sing the patriotic songs and march! Listen to the priest
> declaring that God is on our side. On both sides of the battleline!
> >
> > Following the threads on the list it's clear that no one has learnt
> anything about tribalism. It's all about "us" and "them". The other
tribes.
> >
> > The americans (and a lot of others) seems to be victims of all the three
> strongest tribal builders.
> >
> > 1. Nationalism (Patirotic songs and all that).
> >
> > 2. Religion (Under God and all that).
> >
> > 3. As a combination of the other two: Isolationalism. The feeling of
> superiority in the context of that no member of another tribe will be
> allowed to have any influence over a member of your own tribe no matter
> what. That just this tribe is right.
> >
> > There are too many tribal symbols in order to allow a balanced view of
> what is going on in the world in several continents. And all the
polititians
> takes advantage of it. To unite the people under a common threat (real or
> not) gives them a strong platform for power.
> >
> > As allways:
> >
> > UNited we stand, tribalized we make war!
> >
> > Claes Persson
> > SWEDEN
> > §( :8-)
> >
> > ___________________________________________________________
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> >
> >
> > A93MR48T18
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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