I agree with Thomas -- and, like Paul was saying, it does come down to focus
at this stage.

It is probably too aggressive for WIAB to focus on solving the
wave-email-gateway or wave/email hybrid inbox right now. That said, if
someone wants to work on it outside the scope of WIAB (e.g. Wavelook), there
is nothing stopping that.

-Dan

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Thomas Wrobel <[email protected]> wrote:

> I think once wiab is at a stage where its (relatively) easy to write
> clients, all sorts of functionality like email integration or just
> email-esq styling would come about naturally anyway. Its a pretty
> obvious move for a developer to do if they see a need.
> I'd really see the potential for a whole ecosystem of wave clients
> really, giving different views to the same data and probably ending up
> with some quite inventive solutions.
> -Thomas
>
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> On 23 February 2011 00:13, Paul Thomas <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I agree in general but that isn't what WAIB should be about. That is an
> ideal
> > remit for wavelook to pick up. Make their client work with WAIB.
> >
> > Like i said it about familiarity, with those sort of users.
> >
> > WAIB has enough priorities as it is. The main one begin to show that wave
> works
> > as a technology, and it is easy to implement. Without that different
> client
> > functionality is moot.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Sean Wendt <[email protected]>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Tue, 22 February, 2011 22:27:30
> > Subject: Re: Question about Wave-Dev
> >
> > I think the Outlook extension is a very good example; now if we could
> build
> > a wave client that merges an email inbox with a wave inbox then that
> would
> > already be satisfactory. For sending an additional set of controls for
> > setting (recipient, cc, bcc, sender, title and attachments to send)
> > replacing the wave controls on would do the trick.
> > Users could convert convert emails into waves and back by stripping
> > incompatible elements, copying-and-pasting between emails and waves as
> they
> > see fit within a single client.
> > Thunderbird's "Content Tabs" are nice, but still require the user to
> conform
> > to a different set of interface conventions for the wave client.
> >
> > Would extending, say, Roundcube be more difficult than writing an
> standalone
> > wave client for the web? Which would be the most difficult tasks for
> > building a unified inbox and exchangeable controls?
> >
> > I am actually wondering why Google didn't do this with Gmail; they also
> > popped Buzz into everyone's mail controls one idle Thursday afternoon.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 13:23, Yuri Z <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> I actually agree with you almost on every point, however, you just can't
> >> fight the potential customers/adopters - and they want email-wave
> >> integration. It wouldn't be a big problem if not the fundamental
> >> incompatibility. It is easy to convert email into wave, but it is
> >> impossible
> >> to convert wave content into HTML without losing information. And it is
> >> tricky to incorporate email response back into wave.
> >> So as see it, there are only 2 practical solutions:
> >> 1) To stretch a bit email capabilities and to cut off wave. You get a
> well
> >> integrated solution which is more than email, but a lot less than Wave.
> >> 2) Leave Wave as is, cut of email - make it just a pluggable wave
> >> extension.
> >> It wouldn't allow full email capabilities but would provide just enough
> to
> >> be able to send/receive emails with not really convenient user
> interface.
> >> It
> >> would require to relay on Wave for features like calendar, contacts
> etc..
> >> and it wouldn't be as user friendly as integrated email solution.
> >> I guess that both options will find their uses and users. But, imho, it
> >> should be clear, that solutions of the first kind , most probably will
> be
> >> provided by 3-rd parties and not by the WIAB community.
> >> 2011/2/22 Paul Thomas <[email protected]>
> >>
> >> > Personally I think SMTP is the wrong protocol for Wave. I know that
> Chris
> >> > argues
> >> > that it is essential for enterprise, I actually disagree.The
> wave/email
> >> > analogy
> >> > was always a false one. Currently there is no mature wave services. I
> >> know
> >> > that
> >> > frustrates some  people, but frankly it has little to do with lack of
> >> email
> >> > integration. Once it is stable there will be little reason to make it
> >> > analogous
> >> > to email.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > There is a big difference between integrating wave technology in any
> >> client
> >> > be
> >> > it email or whatever and merging the two technologies, which I think
> will
> >> > be a
> >> > red headed step child.It is kind of like trying to make phone and
> email
> >> > analogous, sure there are ways of bridging the gap but they are
> clearly
> >> not
> >> > the
> >> > same. You can help streamline forms of communication, like facebook is
> >> > doing.
> >> > That gives you a step gap.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > If wave itself isn't useful to enterprise, no attempts at making it
> like
> >> > email
> >> > is going to make it more useful than email. The primary aim of WAIB is
> to
> >> > be
> >> > easy to set up and useful.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Google was slow to open up Wave to open up wave to the open source
> >> > community.
> >> > Some people were pissed off by that more than others, and people got
> >> > different
> >> > ideas. It is actually quite a tough nut to crack. You can't rush the
> >> early
> >> > stages.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message ----
> >> > From: Chris Harvey <[email protected]>
> >> > To: [email protected]
> >> > Sent: Tue, 22 February, 2011 9:12:35
> >> > Subject: Re: Question about Wave-Dev
> >> >
> >> > | Does a more elaborated attempt for email integration with wave
> exist?
> >> >
> >> > Yes. The iotaWave project is predicated on the notion that wave and
> eMail
> >> > *must* be tightly integrated for wave to make a significant impact on
> the
> >> > enterprise market.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Chris
> >> > the wave practice <http://thewavepractice.com>
> >> > iotawave.org
> >> > Singapore
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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