AFAIR, OLE has been around for quite a looooong time. With this patent,
everything related to OLE is deemed to be violating the patent. This
would include ActiveX, embedded RPC, Java - as you mentioned - but so is
COM/DCOM, CORBA, RMI and any scripting language that's used over a
distributed environment. Basically, if you develop a technology that
executes code from a remote location you are violating the patent... It
may seem crazy but this is what they mean.

CURL www.curl.com - developped in collaboration with SIR Tim Berner's
Lee ), is also to be included. But think about .NET and the remote
scripting concept

Paul

| -----Original Message-----
| From: Mark Groen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
| Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 6:01 PM
| To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: watch this space: changes to IE?
| 
| 
| <snip>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| Sent: September 02, 2003 6:02 AM
| Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: watch this space: changes to IE?
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| 
| 
| Yea, most of our stuff is quite "plain" but we've written 
| intensive intranet type business applications using ms 
| technologies (some other departments used java plugins) and 
| it will influence those quite badly. :/
| 
| more money for developers though :) bad for business :(
| </snip>
| 
| I'm already getting email from the [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
| list showing prior art for the Eolas technology:
| 
| "I don't know about anyone else, but there is SO much prior 
| art and information showing the obviousness and the 
| non-novelty of Mr. Doyle patent it really isn't funny anymore 
| - but shocking and even more shocking Microsoft is having a 
| hard time with this.  In my opinion,  this RFC is the smoking 
| gun.  Check out this particular section along with my HLS inline
| comments: From (1985) RFC 965........."
| 
|  It's (maybe not so) unbelievable that M$ is backing down on 
| this especially after re-reading Cringley's 1998 article: 
| http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit19981| 203.html and 
| knowing now, that they didn't get a license 
| from Eolas. I'm curious as to just what can be done with any 
| browser, not just IE, to get around this as I was wrong 
| according to Cringley:
| 
| "The patent also covers the use of any algorithm that 
| implements dynamic, bi-directional communications between Web 
| browsers and external applications. Every Web browser you can 
| name currently supports embedded applets, and is therefore in 
| violation of the Eolas patent. But wait, there's more! The 
| Eolas patent covers the whole concept of executable content, 
| which is at the very foundation of Java. So it looks like 
| Java, too, is in violation of the patent. For that matter, so 
| is Microsoft's Internet Explorer and ActiveX."
| 
| Hmmm,
| 
| cheers,
| 
|         Mark
| 
| 
| 
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