hmmm. This may be a good idea. Is SHOW standard SQL? I am not sure all
backends support it.


On May 6, 7:05 pm, TheDude <officed...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Massimo, may I propose a solution here? It would require a lot of
> work, but if it were done I think it'd destroy the competition of
> other ORMs :P Anyways, have the ORM/DAL catch any errors presented
> (not sure if this is possible with GAE). If it *does* catch an error,
> see which number, have python look up what to do with tht number (e.g.
> Is a table missing? A field? etc). then it will perform the necessary
> query SHOW TABLES; SHOW FIELDS FROM [table]; etc. and then re-build
> the .table file. So it'll constantly load locally until it finds an
> error. Of course there should also be some kind of throttling
> mechanism, where if it does see an error but can find a solution, then
> it'll makr that in like a global.orm.table file so that the next time
> the error is catched for the same table/field, it would execute any
> SQL queries and it'll still submit the support ticket of course (may
> be a support ticket for when DAL figures out the DB on its own as
> well). I know I know, this is a very complicated system, but I mean,
> if web2py can completely move the thought process of having to
> constantly fight with the DB and the app, it would be an awesome
> feature. :) I know that I'm just dreaming, but a boy can wish can't
> hey? :'')
>
> On May 5, 4:10 pm, Yarko Tymciurak <yark...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > someone looked into this, tried some time back ... emulating the kinds of
> > things that sqlalchamy does;  I think he had limited success; not sure I
> > recall what the summary was.
>
> > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Hans <johann.scheibelho...@easytouch-edv.com
>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > Symlinking the app/database folder would work in environments with up
> > > to one application server.
>
> > > Unfortunately also I don't know how to query the database table
> > > structure in all web2py supported databases. But, maybe, we have some
> > > experts for one or the other supported database on the forum and
> > > willing to contribute!?
>
> > > On May 5, 9:14 pm, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> > > > I agree and it does not have to me. The current system does not limit
> > > > that. It only limits the fact that one app should do migrations. If
> > > > more than one app may do migrations just symlink the database folder.
>
> > > > Massimo
>
> > > > On May 5, 2:09 pm, Hans <johann.scheibelho...@easytouch-edv.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > IMO one more thing to consider is that a database is not necessarily
> > > > > exclusively owned by one application. I would even go further and say
> > > > > default should be a database is NOT exclusively owned by one app and
> > > > > also not by one framework.
>
> > > > > Currently the problem arises if the .table files of one web2py app
> > > > > (stored in app/database folder) get out of sync with the database.
> > > > > To get the .table files of a web2py app out of sync with a central
> > > > > database is easy. Just have a 2nd app create a table which is also
> > > > > used by app #1. If app #1 does not set 'migrate=False', including
> > > > > auth.define_table(migrate=False), this app will not work any more.
> > > > > Same for app #3, #4, ... Those apps can also be non web2py apps which
> > > > > automatically create non existing tables, like web2py does it by
> > > > > default.
>
> > > > > my 2 eurocents
>
> > > > > Hans
>
> > > > > I understand that throwing the default assumption 'the application
> > > > > owns the database tab
> > > > > On May 5, 6:13 pm, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Yes or perhaps a repair.py script.
>
> > > > > > Massimo
>
> > > > > > On May 5, 10:24 am, Yarko Tymciurak <yark...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:25 AM, mdipierro 
> > > > > > > <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > ....
>
> > > > > > > > The only problems I can see would arise if:
> > > > > > > > - You delete databases/*.table but the database is still there
> > > > > > > > (updates do not cause this). Bad luck. One should not delete
> > > files, or
> > > > > > > > at least make a backup.
>
> > > > > > > Maybe at some point we can address this w/ some mercurial checkin
> > > of such
> > > > > > > important files on a running system...
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