The book is not released as open source. Massimo can only post it online through a loophole with his publisher.
any community based documentation will need to be started from the ground up, and not taking anything from the book. -- Thadeus On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Scott <blueseas...@gmail.com> wrote: > I support community contributions but there still needs to be an > "editor" or someone ultimately responsible for the changes. > > On Jul 31, 11:27 am, VP <vtp2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I completely support these ideas. It seems the book is Massimo's >> effort, not a community's effort. Documentation needs to be a >> community effort; look at Django, Drupal. >> >> On Jul 30, 11:03 pm, Bruno Rocha <rochacbr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I completelly agree with Jonathan, I also want to have a deeper explanation >> > on DAL backgrounds. >> >> > web2py is Agile enough for me and for my development team, but, sometimes >> > we >> > spent more time trying to figure out "how to" to some things, and testing >> > alternatives than developing real solutions. >> >> > The book is very good when we need to solve common and trivial things, >> > otherwise when we need to go further. The only solution has been testing, >> > looking for examples, using this list, or in many cases reading the source >> > code and trying to understand what is happening behind the scenes. It costs >> > a great time. >> >> > As was mentioned in the "why I hate Django" video, using frameworks you >> > gain >> > time in the early stages, but lost much more in that we need to refine and >> > tune up applications. >> >> > For this reason I support a forum <pyforum.org>, IMHO, until we have a >> > broader and deeper documentation, a forum would be much more usable than >> > this list, and the DRY concept could be applied more easily to posts in a >> > forum, rather than messages in this list. >> > Forum can do things like a good search engine, sintax highlighting, >> > screenshots embeded in to the context.... >> > and yet it is possible to create mechanisms for threads to be followed by >> > email, and people could start new threads by email as well. Perhaps using >> > markmin syntax to include files, highlight the code, and things ... more >> >> > This type of platform could be better used to build further documentation. >> >> > why not support and start an official web2py forum? >> >> > 2010/7/30 Jonathan Lundell <jlund...@pobox.com> >> >> > > On Jul 30, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Iceberg wrote: >> >> > > > On Jul 31, 1:15 am, Jonathan Lundell <jlund...@pobox.com> wrote: >> > > >> On Jul 30, 2010, at 9:19 AM, VP wrote: >> > > >>> On Jul 30, 9:35 am, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote: >> >> > >http://gluonframework.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/web2py-and-metaclasses/ >> >> > > >>> This is really nice. Please do more of this. >> >> > > >> My initial reaction is the opposite. The result might be more >> > > >> readable, >> > > but it doesn't strike me as more writable. >> >> > > >> What would be most helpful for me would be a deeper explanation (in >> > > >> the >> > > book) of what's going on behind the existing DAL "magic" syntax, rather >> > > than >> > > adding yet another layer of magic. >> >> > > > You make a good point, Jonathan. And I think there is a underlying >> > > > question here. Which kind of audience is web2py targeting to? If for >> > > > developers, the existing DAL syntax is already powerful and magical >> > > > enough (the document is also good, here it is. >> > >http://web2py.com/book/default/chapter/06 >> > > > ). Developers don't need another layer which is more fancy but not >> > > > more powerful. >> >> > > I'm not satisfied with the treatment in the book. I'd like to see each of >> > > the DAL objects more completely described, especially as to the >> > > underlying >> > > Python types and the operations that they implicitly support. Several of >> > > them IIRC are polymorphic wrt their argument types, and you either have >> > > to >> > > divine this telepathically or read the source in detail. Likewise >> > > operator >> > > overloading. >> >> > > I'm sure it's second nature to Massimo, but for most of us, we have to >> > > hunt >> > > around for an example that matches our situation, and blindly copy & >> > > paste. >> > > Either that or experiment until it stops raising exceptions.... >> >> > -- >> >> >http://rochacbruno.com.br >
