yup tenthrow was down - cherokee keeps crashing about once a month for no good reason.
Pystar - you are right, no janrain there - it wasn'tin web2py where i built that. the code is here: http://web2pyslices.com/main/slices/take_slice/77 i see you commented there but never gave details of your problem so i was unable to dig into it more deeply. christian