Doesn't mean we need to be complicit in their terrible life decisions. And, I 
would wager that developers would be tend to be more discerning with respect to 
permissions. I think this is officially a religious argument at this point. I 
nominate that Jeremy just does whatever makes him feel good ........ with the 
knowledge that I'll kill a kitten if he puts it in /Applications.

Should we switch over to debating optimal code formatter preferences and curly 
brace placement?

ms

On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:12 AM, David Avendasora wrote:

> How do 99% of all Mac users run? I'm guessing as admin users (there's a 
> little evil in all of us). 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Mike Schrag <msch...@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
>> That's because you either made it world-writable or you run as an admin 
>> user, either of which is kind of evil.
>> 
>> ms
>> 
>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:53 AM, John Huss wrote:
>> 
>>> I have put eclipse into /Applications forever and I've never had a single 
>>> problem with permissions.  I think that is a non-issue.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Kieran Kelleher <kelleh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> David,
>>> 
>>> I disagree with you and Timo, and I agree with Mike and others. ;-)
>>> 
>>> In summary 2 good reasons for installing in ~/Applications, considering 
>>> that novice/intermediate users are the ones we are trying to make life easy 
>>> for.....
>>> 
>>> 1) Writeable Eclipse dir ... keep writeable in user dir. Prevent permission 
>>> issues that 'stump' newbies into giving up too early.
>>> 
>>> 2) Painless migrations to new machines
>>> 
>>> -Kieran
>>> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
>>> 
>>> > I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. Why 
>>> > would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up and 
>>> > running install in a place other than the normal /Applications? Sure 
>>> > ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
>>> >
>>> > If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can 
>>> > move it.
>>> >
>>> > Dave
>>> >
>>> > On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I had no idea what I was getting myself into....heh.
>>> >>
>>> >> This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do 
>>> >> ~/Applications...maybe offer a choice...dunno yet.
>>> >>
>>> >> -j
>>> >>
>>> >> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>> I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and 
>>> >>>> forgot to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to 
>>> >>>> my home directory instead.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home 
>>> >>>> directory I would have no reason to keep it there also.
>>> >>> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ms
>>> >>
>>> >
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