Taking system administration guidelines from Quark probably goes in the bad-life-decision bucket. An application that writes into its own application folder is fundamentally flawed. Eclipse SHOULD have a base install that is read-only and then write any custom things into ~/Library/Application Support/Eclipse. I'll grant that in the scheme of things, it might not be that big of a deal, but that doesn't make it right.
ms On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Theodore Petrosky wrote: > my 2 cents about /Applications > > I manage a network with mostly Managed Mobil Users. These are people working > in Quark, Indesign. I had to make the /Applications/Quarkxpress world > writable or it wouldn't work correctly. > > I don't know that this is so 'bad'. > > Ted > > --- On Thu, 10/7/10, David LeBer <dleber_wo...@codeferous.com> wrote: > >> From: David LeBer <dleber_wo...@codeferous.com> >> Subject: Re: TurnKey Installer Components >> To: woproject-...@objectstyle.org >> Cc: "WebObjects-Dev Mailing List List" <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> >> Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010, 11:21 AM >> >> On 2010-10-07, at 11:18 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: >> >>> Doesn't mean we need to be complicit in their terrible >> life decisions. And, I would wager that developers would be >> tend to be more discerning with respect to permissions. I >> think this is officially a religious argument at this point. >> I nominate that Jeremy just does whatever makes him feel >> good ........ with the knowledge that I'll kill a kitten if >> he puts it in /Applications. >>> >>> Should we switch over to debating optimal code >> formatter preferences and curly brace placement? >> >> I vote for Jeremy to not put it in /Applications because I >> like kittens... a lot. I also vote for someone to put an >> alias on the desktop 'cause I really want to see Mike punch >> EVERYONE in the face. >> >> Loading up on popcorn and getting comfy, this should be >> good. >> >>> >>> ms >>> >>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:12 AM, David Avendasora wrote: >>> >>>> How do 99% of all Mac users run? I'm guessing as >> admin users (there's a little evil in all of us). >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Mike Schrag <msch...@pobox.com> >> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That's because you either made it >> world-writable or you run as an admin user, either of which >> is kind of evil. >>>>> >>>>> ms >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:53 AM, John Huss wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have put eclipse into /Applications >> forever and I've never had a single problem with >> permissions. I think that is a non-issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> John >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Kieran >> Kelleher <kelleh...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>>> David, >>>>>> >>>>>> I disagree with you and Timo, and I agree >> with Mike and others. ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> In summary 2 good reasons for installing >> in ~/Applications, considering that novice/intermediate >> users are the ones we are trying to make life easy for..... >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) Writeable Eclipse dir ... keep >> writeable in user dir. Prevent permission issues that >> 'stump' newbies into giving up too early. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) Painless migrations to new machines >>>>>> >>>>>> -Kieran >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:54 AM, David >> Avendasora wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm pretty against ~/Applications. >> Nothing installs there by default. Why would we make an >> installer that's targeted at getting new users up and >> running install in a place other than the normal >> /Applications? Sure ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not >> _normal_. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If they're advanced enough to want it >> in ~/Applications then they can move it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy >> Matthews wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I had no idea what I was getting >> myself into....heh. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is for newbies...generally >> speaking, so we'll do ~/Applications...maybe offer a >> choice...dunno yet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -j >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike >> Schrag wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I was the same until >> recently when I switched to a new machine and forgot to copy >> over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to my >> home directory instead. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If eclipse kept it's >> plugins and other global config in my home directory I would >> have no reason to keep it there also. >>>>>>>>> welcome to one of the >> longest-standing debates in eclipse history >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ms >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. >> They will be ignored. >>>>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list >> (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your >> Subscription: >>>>>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/johnthuss%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> This email sent to johnth...@gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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