On Jul 11, 2011, at 3:39 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:

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> Le 2011-07-10 à 22:12, Ken Anderson a écrit :
> 
>> I remember Nibble!
>> 
>> Yes, Pascal, you are pretty young for the community at 35!
>> 
>> I'm sorry I couldn't make WOWODC this year - lets start planning the next 
>> one so I can plan my family vacation around it :)
> 
> I'm tempted to do it on the same week-end (June 29-30, July 1) next year.

That would actually work pretty well I think. July 4th weekend was a tough pull 
this year.

This entire thread has actually ended up being a bit reassuring - it pulled a 
lot of posters out with names I don't remember seeing before.

Tim Worman
UCLA GSE&IS

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>> On Jul 6, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:
>> 
>>> It's honestly pretty simple.
>>> 
>>> Apple never makes statements about future products, or their plan for 
>>> existing products.  If you're holding your breath for that to happen, good 
>>> luck!
>>> 
>>> The community continues to maintain / upgrade WO in a way that is far 
>>> better than a corporation holding the reins.  Even for a currently sold 
>>> commercial product, what guarantee is there that it will be updated?  Or 
>>> Open Source projects that have little to no support when the champion has 
>>> left it?
>>> 
>>> To me, just the fact that WebObjects has been around since 1996 (15 years!) 
>>> means that it has more legs than any other tool I can think of.
>>> 
>>> YMMV
>>> 
>>> Ken
>>> 
>>> On Jul 6, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Karl wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I don’t think that there is an issue about it disappearing.  The license 
>>>> allows us to use what we have now indefinitely.
>>>> 
>>>> The issue is about moving forwards and modernizing...
>>>> 
>>>> Karl
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Robert B. Hanviriyapunt wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> How about the continued availability of WO.  People can SAY that Apple 
>>>>> relies heavily on WO and thus it won't go away, but again it just feels 
>>>>> more secure knowing that it is officially true, and that WO will always 
>>>>> be kept out there so that I can put away my doubts that it will suddenly 
>>>>> disappear.  I'd just feel safer while we're all building on this platform 
>>>>> that it won't be pulled from under us.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 6, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Jesse Tayler wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> there has been official word-- you just gotta go back ten years and ask 
>>>>>> ernie prabhakar or something.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> seriously, the official word is that WO is and shall remain WO and will 
>>>>>> never be open sourced or whatever.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I opine as well, but that's the way it is and shall be.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 6, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Robert B. Hanviriyapunt wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Who, if anyone, represents Apple on this mailing list?  When it comes 
>>>>>>> to questions of open-sourcing WO or the availability of WO, the answer 
>>>>>>> should be posted by an Apple official rep. in this mailing list.  
>>>>>>> Anyone can opine, but I think the group benefits greatly when an 
>>>>>>> official word is heard -- second best to that is an "insider", even if 
>>>>>>> not officially charged by Apple to represent in the list.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thoughts anyone?
>>>>> 
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