That's a case that can be part of the "30 minutes of free consulting" 
suggestion. Another option would be to offer discounts on services and products 
to members.

> A good example to consider might be the problem that Rich had last week with 
> deployment.  That took some time to resolve.  Is that the kind of think 
> people should be getting support for?  If not, what do you have in mind?
> 
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On 2012-03-15, at 2:28 PM, Johnny Miller wrote:
> 
>> That's true.  I was thinking that documentation and asking questions to the 
>> list would remain free but there could be some kind of premier level of 
>> support that could be defined.
>> 
>> Johnny Miller
>> Kahalawai Media Corp.
>> www.kahalawai.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 11:17 AM, Chuck Hill wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2012-03-15, at 2:13 PM, Johnny Miller wrote:
>>> 
>>>> After I sent the email I was thinking about your second point that it's 
>>>> probably a conflict of interest for many people.  I guess the community 
>>>> could get whole sale rates from people like yourself and become a kind of 
>>>> reseller.
>>> 
>>> It depends.  It if is an hour or two of work, we don't want it.  The admin 
>>> costs are too high.  If it is a week or two, I can't ethically or 
>>> physically do it outside of work.  The bigger concern in my mind is how to 
>>> sell the community on the idea of not getting free on-demand support.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> But maybe it's just a bad idea all around.
>>>> 
>>>> Johnny Miller
>>>> Kahalawai Media Corp.
>>>> www.kahalawai.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Chuck Hill wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The only problem I see is that we would have to stop doing this for free 
>>>>> and demand that people pay for support.  That makes the community less 
>>>>> self supporting than it is now.  And for larger support needs, that cuts 
>>>>> into some of our day jobs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2012-03-15, at 1:08 PM, Johnny Miller wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just a random idea I had I'm not sure if it's been discussed already but 
>>>>>> here goes:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Maybe the community could sell support and members could donate their 
>>>>>> time to service the support.  Seems like something people do anyway and 
>>>>>> at least this time the community could get paid for it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And then when developers run up against the objection of "why should I 
>>>>>> use WO if Apple no longer supports it?" the dev can say don't worry we 
>>>>>> can buy support from this organization who specializes in WebObjects.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anyway just a thought,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Johnny Miller
>>>>>> Kahalawai Media Corp.
>>>>>> www.kahalawai.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 7:25 AM, David Holt wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2012-03-15, at 10:04 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Le 2012-03-15 à 12:19, James Cicenia a écrit :
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I think a better strategy is that we get a volunteer to go to Apple 
>>>>>>>>> and sit there until Tim Cook meets with said volunteer.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> With the iOS making major penetration into the corporate world, this 
>>>>>>>>> is a perfect opportunity to get the tools in there too!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ok, so knowing Apple, they will make sure that a new release of WO 
>>>>>>>> that will only to talk to iOS devices. I don't think they care much 
>>>>>>>> about the Web. I'm pretty sure that it was discussed inside Apple...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The WEB is dead!! The WEB is dead!! 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> (long live WebObjects :-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We could all chip in $100 or so to pay for transportation, room and 
>>>>>>>>> board. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I could volunteer for the assignment.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I don't think Apple cares about petitions, or else OpenDoc, 
>>>>>>>>>> HyperCard and other stuff would still be around :-) I guess we can 
>>>>>>>>>> try to email Tim Cook directly.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I always wondered how many of us have opened issues in Radar to ask 
>>>>>>>>>> for new releases of WO?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Petition the new boss to APSL the rest of WO 5.4.3.  We've already 
>>>>>>>>>>> got JavaWOExtensions, JavaMonitor, wotaskd, and the web server 
>>>>>>>>>>> adaptor code.  The whole thing would be nice, but I only count 8 
>>>>>>>>>>> core frameworks that we really need, 14 if you count java client.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Ramsey
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 8:16 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> So based on what people said, this is what the "community roadmap" 
>>>>>>>>>>>> for this year should be:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Finishing the tutorials
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Writing a Getting Started with Project Wonder book
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Improvements on the development and deployment tools to make 
>>>>>>>>>>>> them easier to work it (especially on starting up, like an 
>>>>>>>>>>>> installer than install Eclipse, WOLips and the WO/Wonder 
>>>>>>>>>>>> frameworks)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Fixing bugs or doing improvements that are affecting at least 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 25% of the community (the 2G limit of WOFileUpload, model reverse 
>>>>>>>>>>>> engineering bugs, etc.)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Documentation about how to move to Wonder APIs instead of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> straight WO APIs (that's the first part before moving to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> alternatives)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Better integration between WO and iOS/Android 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anything else?
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