Le 2012-03-28 à 06:57, ISHIMOTO Ken a écrit :

> Hi Gino,
> 
>> I would love to contribute but I don't think my code would benefit in any 
>> way as there are better programmers with better understanding of the needs.
> 
> There are always better programmers out there, but if we can contribute code, 
> and bring nice ideas to the Community, it will helps the Community.
> Also if better programmers fix some mistake than the not so good programmer 
> can learn what fixes was done to the contributed code.
> And next time the contribute will be better.
> 
> I work now for 5 years on WO really every day, but everyday I can learn new 
> stuff. Because it is a Never Ending Learning Story.
> 
> I also have about 7-8 Frameworks, some are older and not nice anymore, but it 
> has functions and ideas that not exists in wonder yet,
> after contribute some people will find it useful and make it better. that is 
> a win & win situation, I believe.
> 

And we need help on documentation, unit testing, marketing, the list of needs 
is quite long.

> Ken
> 
> 
> On 2012/03/28, at 12:33, Gino Pacitti wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Pascal, it sounds like you are pretty frustrated with Apple.
>> 
>> I think that as a Community though that this is one of the topics that might 
>> need resolving.
>> 
>> Or Apple is dropped from the equation completely and the WO Community gets 
>> organized so that a structure exists for financing and allocation of 
>> resources.
>> 
>> I would love to contribute but I don't think my code would benefit in any 
>> way as there are better programmers with better understanding of the needs.
>> 
>> I still would like to contribute to a membership scheme though in some 
>> financial way if there was a roadmap to work towards...
>> 
>> Gino
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 28 Mar 2012, at 11:08, Pascal Robert wrote:
>> 
>>>> Has the WOCommunity spoke directly to Apple about this?
>>> 
>>> Listen, many things have been done, and none worked. If you think you 
>>> change the situation, go ahead, but I'm not going to do anything more 
>>> because I know it won't work. I stopped waiting for the messiah 18 months 
>>> ago and I prefer to actually going forward than waiting for something that 
>>> won't happen.
>>> 
>>>> They obviously share in Wonder Code and surely they would not deny the 
>>>> WOCommunity code on that basis?
>>> 
>>> Have you seen Apple code in Wonder that was committed in the last 12 
>>> months? No? You have the answer.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 28 Mar 2012, at 10:54, Pascal Robert wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Le 2012-03-28 à 05:31, Gino Pacitti a écrit :
>>>>> 
>>>>>> So do they extend its functionality and then do not release the code?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Looks like it.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 28 Mar 2012, at 10:27, Pascal Robert wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Le 2012-03-28 à 05:24, Gino Pacitti a écrit :
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Well I for one would like to have some sort of contribution scheme 
>>>>>>>> fixed on an annual membership for development etc...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And just so I am not too behind on what is the current state of the 
>>>>>>>> union - what is the Apple current think on WO. I think I read here 
>>>>>>>> that they are no longer contributing to its development. Is that 
>>>>>>>> correct? Any one know of their plans for the software?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> They keep it for themselves, and it won't change, plain and simple. 
>>>>>>> Many things have been done to try to change that, and nothing worked.
>>>>>> 
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